Quote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2016, 10:50:47 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 10:49:00 AMEVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFERUnless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.Yeah.what was the point of that exactlyThat even you don't believe in antinatalism.
Quote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 10:49:00 AMEVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFERUnless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.Yeah.what was the point of that exactly
EVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFERUnless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2016, 11:42:49 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 11:13:30 AMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2016, 10:50:47 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 10:49:00 AMEVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFERUnless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.Yeah.what was the point of that exactlyThat even you don't believe in antinatalism.keep proving my pointProve you're an antinatalist.
Quote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 11:13:30 AMQuote from: Verbatim on May 28, 2016, 10:50:47 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 28, 2016, 10:49:00 AMEVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFERUnless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.Yeah.what was the point of that exactlyThat even you don't believe in antinatalism.keep proving my point
all suffering is bad
You have. Many, many times.
LOL COMPLETE 180
You'd always say the fact that suffering is important is the reason we shouldn't exist and why life is terrible.
This is the first time I hear you say suffering is justified.
Rape feels good for me so as long as I drug the girl it's all good.
Your insecurity is showing.
No it's bad because it's a barbaric practice that has no benefits other than not washing your penis when you take a shower.
Quote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 05:13:48 AMQuote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 05:11:53 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 04:48:43 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 04:47:24 AMIf I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering? the ones who walk away from omelas is a story about a utopian society is only able to keep its utopian state due to one child suffering.Oh, I didn't know you changed the topic, never heard of that movie. And yes, I would absolutely save that child. A utopia that thrives off of someone eternally suffering isn't a utopia, and has no right to exist, regardless of how good it is.So you would let thousands of people suffer rather than just one person suffer? Yeah, that sure seems like the more moral option.
Quote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 05:11:53 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 04:48:43 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 04:47:24 AMIf I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering? the ones who walk away from omelas is a story about a utopian society is only able to keep its utopian state due to one child suffering.Oh, I didn't know you changed the topic, never heard of that movie. And yes, I would absolutely save that child. A utopia that thrives off of someone eternally suffering isn't a utopia, and has no right to exist, regardless of how good it is.
Quote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 05:08:41 AMQuote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 04:48:43 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 04:47:24 AMIf I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering? the ones who walk away from omelas is a story about a utopian society is only able to keep its utopian state due to one child suffering.
Quote from: Zen on May 28, 2016, 04:48:43 AMQuote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 04:47:24 AMIf I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering?
Quote from: SecondClass on May 28, 2016, 04:47:24 AMIf I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?
If I had the means, sure.Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.
Nope, you've definitely said this many times. "ALL SUFFERING IS BAD AND THE FACT THAT SUFFERING IS VALUABLE IS WRONG"
180
Exactly, you see suffering as never justified.
No you're just a hypocrite.
As long as suffering isn't remembered it's fine according to you.
I honestly feel bad for you guys, you go into this super insecure beta mode anytime this discussion comes up.
You can't spend 3 seconds cleaning your penis to avoid torturing infants?Wow.
Verb's philosophy is not something I agree with...And Challenger is being a dumbass....Who do I root for honestly?
Quote from: ❗️Pip❗️ on May 28, 2016, 03:34:50 PMVerb's philosophy is not something I agree with...And Challenger is being a dumbass....Who do I root for honestly?Jesus
I love how you aren't posting any actual arguments and you're just saying "nope ur an idiot lel I never said any of that stuff I said"
yup
LOL
no YOU'RE a dumbhead
hahahaha what the hell is this incoherent rambling
LMAO Nobody ever says anything about your penis and you always come out super defensive talking about how amazing your penis is. That's the height of insecurity.
OH NO IT MIGHT BE MORE
You're just denying it. You've said that countless times, it was always your stance. I remember because I'd say "we gain things through suffering" and you'd reply "and that's bullshit, suffering isn't justified because we gain things through it, we shouldn't have to suffer". That's your stance.
So because we're at a point where our technology and intelligence is enough to barely make a difference we should give up?
Gee I guess if I was an Orc I'd agree with you, but fucking wow. Even you don't believe this, you're just disagreeing out of pride and insecurity, deep down you can't handle that your penis is messed up. It's a tough pill to swallow. Lots of veterans commit suicide due to their genitals being gone as a cause of explosion/other.
That's your incorrect view on life due to depression.
Almost no circumcised man will openly say they're unhappy with the circumcision. It's a tough thing to accept.
LOLYou actually said it, though. That's the difference.
Except you're very likely clinically depressed, which is why you view life the way you do.
Because I prefer to not have people take a knife to my penis.
There's only one way to interpret "suffering is never justified".
Quote from: Verbatim on May 29, 2016, 04:22:57 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 29, 2016, 04:17:23 AMThere's only one way to interpret "suffering is never justified". if you're really really bad at reading between the linesnev·erˈnevər/adverb1.at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever.
Quote from: challengerX on May 29, 2016, 04:17:23 AMThere's only one way to interpret "suffering is never justified". if you're really really bad at reading between the lines
That's the only way to interpret the word "never".
If you've changed your stance
to one that can accept suffering is necessary and justified in some cases, how much of an antinatalist really are you at this point?
If you had the possibility of creating AI, would you?
