If you had the possibility of creating AI, would you?

 
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People who want sexbots or whatever are even worse than the general advocates of this. It would be literal rape.
Except a AI programed to be a sexbot would be literally coded for the purpose of providing sexual pleasure.
Humans are coded for the exact same thing, fucking and having kids. But since we're a sentient, intelligent species, we have free agency and can break that coding. An AI is no different. If you're talking about a true AI, one that learns and is self aware, then it will start to develop an opinion of whether or not it enjoys being a sex slave to gross, desperate old men.

If you want a sex robot, some human looking thing that's programmed to move in a certain way and say certain things in reaction to an input, then whatever. But this goes far beyond that.
First off, everyone here needs to learn the difference between sentient and sapient. Being able to think abstractly and form opinions about scenarios is sapience. Second, even if it was able to form its own opinions, why should we afford something we created to serve us the same rights as us?
No, I'm talking about sentience. The ability to feel actual pain, emotions, and pleasure. Sapience goes without saying, it's an AI; of course it can think abstractly and make decisions. That's the point of this hypothetical creation, it can learn, think, and use logic like any human. That alone is enough to give it human rights, but when you add on sentience, it's even more deserving of them. Anything that can suffer has a moral consideration to it, let alone something that can think and knows that it exists.

We created it, but that doesn't mean a thing. Just because we're intellectually capable of creating new souls doesn't mean we're morally capable of enslaving them.


 
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Probably, yes. I think the fears of an AI turning on us is not that justified.
it's more about the fact that creating a new species for the sake of SCIENCE! is wrong
lol what

How is creating AI wrong?
You're imposing sentience and existence on a previously inanimate thing for the sake of scientific progress.
>imposing

I'm granting it sentience. That's a good thing.
There's a fundamental difference of opinion here, then. Forcing a consciousness, life, on something without their consent is wrong.


 
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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LOL Antinatalists

"It's bad to create life even if artificial to advance humanity"

No, no it isn't. Suffering is a part of life, get over it. That's just how the universe is.
I'm not going to sit here and have a big argument about consent with you, but the fact that life necessitates suffering doesn't give a reason for making new life, it gives a reason against it.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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LOL Antinatalists

"It's bad to create life even if artificial to advance humanity"

No, no it isn't. Suffering is a part of life, get over it. That's just how the universe is.
I'm not going to sit here and have a big argument about consent with you, but the fact that life neccesitates suffering doesn't give a reason for making new life, it gives a reason against it.
Denying life to somebody is the ultimate crime, you never even give him/her/it the chance to experience it before "playing god" (or Satan more like) yourself and deco coding life is not worth living because you're clinically depressed.
I'm not depressed, not really sure what you're on about there. All it comes down to is that consent is the basis of morality, and the heaviest burden you can put on someone is existence, making them live out an entire life for no reason and shaming them if they don't want to live as long as they can. Doing that, and just assuming they'll give consent for it later, is wrong.


 
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We created it, but that doesn't mean a thing. Just because we're intellectually capable of creating new souls doesn't mean we're morally capable of enslaving them.
Ah, arguing from morality, well spooked my property.
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No, I'm talking about sentience. The ability to feel actual pain, emotions, and pleasure. Sapience goes without saying, it's an AI; of course it can think abstractly and make decisions. That's the point of this hypothetical creation, it can learn, think, and use logic like any human. That alone is enough to give it human rights, but when you add on sentience, it's even more deserving of them. Anything that can suffer has a moral consideration to it, let alone something that can think and knows that it exists.
First off, unless we're giving these AI's the works with receptors on their bodies for pain and pleasure, they aren't going to think anything of those feelings. A sexbot AI without that would not feel anything from the person fucking them. Secondly, even if they do feel those emotions, so what? It doesn't change the fact that the AI was created for a specific purpose and if it doesn't fulfill that purpose, it's basically useless. Just saying, neither me nor you are doing anything to stop sweat shops that uses kids as a means of production and willingly use products from it. If AI hit the point of sapience and sentience, we'd turn the same blind eye with no sleep lost on our part.
And guess what - it's wrong that we turn a blind eye to kids in those sweatshops. Bad comparison. Not to mention that a true AI can definitely feel emotional suffering even if it has no capacity to feel physical pain.

And a fucking bum stealing shit and living on the sidewalk is also useless. That doesn't mean he doesn't have human rights.

Wait, so you antinatalist now too?
I wouldn't parade around and identify myself as such, but I'd probably be considered one.
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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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Utility means NOTHING, in anything but a pragmatic sense. If something morally sound has utility, then great. If something morally wrong has utility, it doesn't matter - we can't do it. If we rounded up every homeless person and forced them into slave labor, quality of life would increase for the rest of us. But again, it would be wrong. That's the more important thing that matters.

And I try to avoid companies that outsource to other countries in general, but I'm not perfect.
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Also, morality and human rights are a spook, just saying.
You keep using that word and I don't give a shit. I don't even know what it means, but if being concerned with morality and human rights makes me a spook, then that's what I am. I have no problems with that.


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If I had the means, sure.

Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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If I had the means, sure.

Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.
So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?
What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering?

"Everything sucks"
"There's no point doing anything"
"I hope I die from all this oxycodone I'm taking"

I hate to have to bring things like that up, but I'm not going to let you lie and masquerade this death cult as some sort of gathering of intellectuals.
Clinical depression is an actual disorder. It's caused by an inbalance of chemicals in the brain. I have more of a situational kind. And yeah, there was really no need to bring it up. I care about this solely because of the consent factor, and even if I didn't, I'm not barred from holding an opinion because of something happening in my personal life.

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No, it isn't. There are plenty of other factors which make morality such a grey area, not this black and white "let him drink bleach it doesn't affect you".
No, there aren't. If you were the only creature on earth, morality wouldn't exist. It revolves around the interaction of suffering-capable organisms. Anything you do that only affects yourself can't be immoral or moral.

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There is no such thing as burden without existence, so existence itself can not be the burden.
This doesn't make any sense. There are burdens in life, and life itself is also a burden.

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Living for no reason?

Maybe you do, but I don't. Find a purpose.
Some people find their own unique purposes in life, but the institution of life itself is meaningless. As is creating it. You don't know if the life you're going to create even wants to start looking for meaning.

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Being brought into existence is a matter in which consent is irrelevant.
You're simply wrong.

And wow, I did let myself get dragged into some huge argument. It's time for me to go to bed.


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"With the first link, the chain is forged. The first speech censured, the first thought forbidden, the first freedom denied, chains us all irrevocably."
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If I had the means, sure.

Concepts and ideas exist. Just because something isn't tangible doesn't mean it's not real.
So, you would help one person if it meant subjecting 1000s of others to suffering?
What? How does the fact that I would help a kid escape from some sweatshop cause more suffering?
the ones who walk away from omelas is a story about a utopian society is only able to keep its utopian state due to one child suffering.
Oh, I didn't know you changed the topic, never heard of that movie. And yes, I would absolutely save that child. A utopia that thrives off of someone eternally suffering isn't a utopia, and has no right to exist, regardless of how good it is.


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LOL Antinatalists

"It's bad to create life even if artificial to advance humanity"

No, no it isn't. Suffering is a part of life, get over it. That's just how the universe is.
I'm not going to sit here and have a big argument about consent with you, but the fact that life neccesitates suffering doesn't give a reason for making new life, it gives a reason against it.
Denying life to somebody is the ultimate crime, you never even give him/her/it the chance to experience it before "playing god" (or Satan more like) yourself and deciding life is not worth living because you're clinically depressed.
yu really do have a four year old's understanding of anti-natalism


 
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LOL Antinatalists

"It's bad to create life even if artificial to advance humanity"

No, no it isn't. Suffering is a part of life, get over it. That's just how the universe is.
I'm not going to sit here and have a big argument about consent with you, but the fact that life neccesitates suffering doesn't give a reason for making new life, it gives a reason against it.
Denying life to somebody is the ultimate crime, you never even give him/her/it the chance to experience it before "playing god" (or Satan more like) yourself and deciding life is not worth living because you're clinically depressed.
yu really do have a four year old's understanding of anti-natalism
Your death cult is childish, not my understanding of it.
thanks for proving my point further


 
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EVERYTHING SHOULD CEASE TO EXIST BECAUSE LIFE ISN'T PERFECT AND PEOPLE SUFFER

Unless we're mutilating infants' genitals, then it's fine because they won't remember it.
Yeah.

what was the point of that exactly