Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 11:11:34 PM

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Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 06:26:10 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 06:23:22 PM

Yes, most cultures and groups have their own beliefs on deities and/or afterlife, but I'm talking specifically about the Christian God.

If we're talking specifically about the Abrahamic God, then yes I agree.

If we're assuming the Bible was never written, a very similar God would've likely developed in its stead. If the Bible were erased from history now, no other similar God would likely be invented.

>implying God was invented

So why is your God the "real" one, and not the literally hundreds of other gods that people have believed in throughout history?

Because unlike Religions, I don't just worship my god, I fellowship with Him.
You can't have fellowship if there is only 1 person.

"Taste and see that the Lord is good."
Until you've done that, you'll never know what is true.

None of that really supports your argument.

Yes it does.
Worshipping an image doesn't make it a God.

But if that image responds.....

I don't worship an image. I worship a God who has made Himself known in my life. You haven't experienced the same, and so you don't believe the same as me. That's fine.

But if you had, you wouldn't have a doubt in your mind that there is a God. He's made it blatantly obvious for me many times.

He has done what all other Gods have failed to do: respond

..and your proof of communicating with God is...?

How do you know it's the Christian God? How do you know it isn't Ra the Sun God? Or Odin? Did they tell you who they were?

You miss the point when it comes to God's existence: every time you ask for proof.
There isn't proof you will accept. Because proving God destroys faith, so realistically God wouldn't allow Himself to be proven to the world.

Now, since I have fellowshipped with God for around 6 years, I've got a really good look into His character.
The personality I've paid witness to; both physically and spiritually, lined up with the Characteristics of the Christian God.

For one: if you worship a non-existent God, it isn't going to grace you with it's prescence.
I have only worshipped Jesus, and He has never failed to respond.


When His Spirit came to me in my times of suffering, or simply a time of worship, I didn't feel shame.
I didn't feel disgusting or sinful or wrong, because when God Himself is in the room with you:
you, for a moment, completely forget about yourself.

So, in your mind, anyone who God doesn't make his presence known to is screwed for all eternity, right?

In short: Yes.

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day

But here is where things get tricky: why does God draw some and not others?
Doesn't EVERY PERSON deserve a chance?

Well if God is all-knowing, He will know what happens if He draws a particular person.
If God see that drawing that person to Him, will only bring harm to others, then is God being unfair by not drawing that person?

OR, perhaps if He draws not Person A, but Person B.
Because drawing Person A will yield no results,
while drawing Person B will get Person C saved.

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Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 10:50:03 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 10:48:28 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 10:43:46 PM

Quote from: Rocketman287 on September 07, 2014, 10:36:37 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on September 07, 2014, 06:26:10 PM

Quote from: Mad Max on September 07, 2014, 06:23:22 PM

Yes, most cultures and groups have their own beliefs on deities and/or afterlife, but I'm talking specifically about the Christian God.

If we're talking specifically about the Abrahamic God, then yes I agree.

If we're assuming the Bible was never written, a very similar God would've likely developed in its stead. If the Bible were erased from history now, no other similar God would likely be invented.

>implying God was invented

So why is your God the "real" one, and not the literally hundreds of other gods that people have believed in throughout history?

Because unlike Religions, I don't just worship my god, I fellowship with Him.
You can't have fellowship if there is only 1 person.

"Taste and see that the Lord is good."
Until you've done that, you'll never know what is true.

None of that really supports your argument.

Yes it does.
Worshipping an image doesn't make it a God.

But if that image responds.....

I don't worship an image. I worship a God who has made Himself known in my life. You haven't experienced the same, and so you don't believe the same as me. That's fine.

But if you had, you wouldn't have a doubt in your mind that there is a God. He's made it blatantly obvious for me many times.

He has done what all other Gods have failed to do: respond

..and your proof of communicating with God is...?

How do you know it's the Christian God? How do you know it isn't Ra the Sun God? Or Odin? Did they tell you who they were?

You miss the point when it comes to God's existence: every time you ask for proof.
There isn't proof you will accept. Because proving God destroys faith, so realistically God wouldn't allow Himself to be proven to the world.

Now, since I have fellowshipped with God for around 6 years, I've got a really good look into His character.
The personality I've paid witness to; both physically and spiritually, lined up with the Characteristics of the Christian God.

For one: if you worship a non-existent God, it isn't going to grace you with it's prescence.
I have only worshipped Jesus, and He has never failed to respond.


When His Spirit came to me in my times of suffering, or simply a time of worship, I didn't feel shame.
I didn't feel disgusting or sinful or wrong, because when God Himself is in the room with you:
you, for a moment, completely forget about yourself.

So, in your mind, anyone who God doesn't make his presence known to is screwed for all eternity, right?

In short: Yes.

John 6:44
"No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day

But here is where things get tricky: why does God draw some and not others?
Doesn't EVERY PERSON deserve a chance?

Well if God is all-knowing, He will know what happens if He draws a particular person.
If God see that drawing that person to Him, will only bring harm to others, then is God being unfair by not drawing that person?

OR, perhaps if He draws not Person A, but Person B.
Because drawing Person A will yield no results,
while drawing Person B will get Person C saved.

What you're essentially saying is that god isn't revealing himself to me, and in essence saving me from hell, because if I were to not go to hell, bad things would happen?


Your god sounds like a loser who can't do his fucking job. He's fucking god, why should things be so convoluted?

Oh, right, because we're making up ideas about god using rules pulled from our sphincters.

If you want to spit nonsense go ahead, that clearly isn't what I was saying.

Let's just go ahead and call this an agree to disagree moment.

Not my fault he quotes me without actually reading what I said.