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I don't even know about most of the time, it's pretty common for them to release games with mature elements in them. Granted not all of those titles have made their way out of Japan.
>mature elements

I'm talking about games that are tailor-made for adults, and have blatant adult themes in them.

Nintendo does not develop "adult" video games.


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Why, not what. That's my concern.
I still don't understand. Is it not perfectly reasonable why the game is being censored here?

Is it not perfectly reasonable why someone would protest this, and want it to be removed or changed?

Absolutely nobody is forcing the developer to change anything. If they change it because they feel pressured, then that's on them. Not us. You simply can't blame people like me for protesting the game--and you can't blame them for making the correct response by censoring the game.

If they felt pressured, oh well--they did the right thing for the wrong reasons.

At the end of the day, they improved a game.

Still, something tells me that you'd be against the change even if it was confirmed that it wasn't due to pressure.
It's not an issue of it being removed, or even the response that made them do it. It's the reasoning itself behind the removal. The difference is between accepting that it was necessary to alter/remove, and altering/removing something-- not because the artist agree with the demands-- but because the artist was forced to do so against their wishes.

I think this situation, FE:Fates, is a bit silly. I don't consider it any different from the Pokรฉmon mini-game in XY/ORAS. My concern is whether IS just considered it a necessary change in North America, or that they were afraid of the result if it was still included.


 
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That's still Nintendo releasing it exclusively for their system. Another well known example would be Conkers Bad Fur Day, hell even Mother had a bunch of mature stuff in it.

I get how people see Nintendo as good wholesome family entertainment though, their main franchises (mario and pokemon) are all family friendly. However they aren't afraid to delve into more mature settings for their other games. Not that I'd say something like head patting is intimate in a sexual sense.


 
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My concern is whether IS just considered it a necessary change in North America, or that they were afraid of the result if it was still included.

The change was made by the localization team. To my knowledge IS didn't have a say in the matter.


 
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My concern is whether IS just considered it a necessary change in North America, or that they were afraid of the result if it was still included.
I know. I just don't see a good reason to care. Like I said, at the end of the day, the game is better without the stupid feature--and that's all that should matter.

Pokemon-Amie shouldn't have been a thing, either. The first time that was revealed, I was like, "Are you kidding me!?"

Also, for what reason would a change in North America be "necessary" if not for fear of the reaction?

Sorry I'm editing my posts so much--I'm kinda moving from place to place right now, and I just think of new stuff to add.
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That's still Nintendo releasing it exclusively for their system. Another well known example would be Conkers Bad Fur Day, hell even Mother had a bunch of mature stuff in it.

I get how people see Nintendo as good wholesome family entertainment though, their main franchises (mario and pokemon) are all family friendly. However they aren't afraid to delve into more mature settings for their other games. Not that I'd say something like head patting is intimate in a sexual sense.
If you read the dialogue associated with the scenes, it's very clear that they're meant to create some sort of sexual heat.


 
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That's still Nintendo releasing it exclusively for their system. Another well known example would be Conkers Bad Fur Day, hell even Mother had a bunch of mature stuff in it.

I get how people see Nintendo as good wholesome family entertainment though, their main franchises (mario and pokemon) are all family friendly. However they aren't afraid to delve into more mature settings for their other games. Not that I'd say something like head patting is intimate in a sexual sense.
If you read the dialogue associated with the scenes, it's very clear that they're meant to create some sort of sexual heat.

"Mother sewed these clothes for me" -Takumi

Man I'm just getting off to the fact that his mom made his clothes. God dammit I'm just so horny.

You're likely talking about some of the S-rank quotes though. These only come from the person you're married to and some characters are more personal than others. Most of it just really corny or cheesy romance stuff. Again it was an optional feature just like pokemon amie so it's not like you're forced to use it.

I will say that Japanese is kind of blunt when translated directly, however it's the job of the localization team to convey the meaning of what's being said. To quote Filthy Frank as an example, ใˆใฃใก ใ—ใ‚ˆใ†ใœ can range from "hey you wanna fool around a little?" to full on tentacle rape cry depending on how it's said.


 
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You're likely talking about some of the S-rank quotes though.
No shit.
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These only come from the person you're married to and some characters are more personal than others. Most of it just really corny or cheesy romance stuff. Again it was an optional feature just like pokemon amie so it's not like you're forced to use it.
I don't care.


 
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I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
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That's still Nintendo releasing it exclusively for their system. Another well known example would be Conkers Bad Fur Day, hell even Mother had a bunch of mature stuff in it.

I get how people see Nintendo as good wholesome family entertainment though, their main franchises (mario and pokemon) are all family friendly. However they aren't afraid to delve into more mature settings for their other games. Not that I'd say something like head patting is intimate in a sexual sense.
If you read the dialogue associated with the scenes, it's very clear that they're meant to create some sort of sexual heat.

"Mother sewed these clothes for me" -Takumi

These three words in conjunction with the others would literally cause Das clones and Jim clones to have meltdown orgasms.

Which there are a lot of in japan.


 
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As for the example in the OP, I have no big moral issue with it specifically.
You are heavily biased bough you have to admit.

Although I do agree with you.

Even though it's a gross exaggeration and contains false information?

Literally all it is is head patting and hearing dialogue, a few lines of which from a couple characters contain sexual subtext once you're married to them.


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All of the worlds sin is contained within this face patting mini game.

What the fuck is this stupid shit

God i hate japan


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All of the worlds sin is contained within this face patting mini game.

What the fuck is this stupid shit

God i hate japan
That seems a bit biased and exaggerated


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All of the worlds sin is contained within this face patting mini game.

What the fuck is this stupid shit

God i hate japan
That seems a bit biased and exaggerated

No it's objective and I proved that.


 
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You are heavily biased bough you have to admit.
In what way?


 
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Is it actually sexual with children or not? Because if it isn't this thread is retarded.
You can basically molest children, yes.


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Is it actually sexual with children or not? Because if it isn't this thread is retarded.
You can pat them on the head.


 
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Let's not lie, now.

"Fire Emblem Fates also includes a feature much like Pokรฉmon Amie which debuted in Pokรฉmon X and Pokรฉmon Y. Players can interact with the bodies of other party members by rubbing, stroking and petting them with their stylus on the Nintendo 3DS touch screen.

Additionally, if the main character achieves an S-rank relationship with another character, the dialogue that takes place during this rubbing feature will become suggestive and sexual."


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Is it actually sexual with children or not? Because if it isn't this thread is retarded.
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This is the extent of it from what I see


 
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Let's not lie, now.

"Fire Emblem Fates also includes a feature much like Pokรฉmon Amie which debuted in Pokรฉmon X and Pokรฉmon Y. Players can interact with the bodies of other party members by rubbing, stroking and petting them with their stylus on the Nintendo 3DS touch screen.

Additionally, if the main character achieves an S-rank relationship with another character, the dialogue that takes place during this rubbing feature will become suggestive and sexual."

That sources back to a guy who's never played the game from some Nintendo fansite.


 
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Is it actually sexual with children or not? Because if it isn't this thread is retarded.

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This is the extent of it. It's goofy, stupid, and silly, but it's nothing obscene that would warrant censorship.


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How the fuck did "patting a character on the head until they blush and smile" turn into "sexually molesting your little sister"?


 
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This is the extent of it. It's goofy, stupid, and silly, but it's nothing obscene that would warrant censorship.
Says the biggest FE shill on the website.


 
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How the fuck did "patting a character on the head until they blush and smile" turn into "sexually molesting your little sister"?

It's the perfect storm of everything verb hates.

It's a Japanese turn based strategy game with an anime art style where you can marry units together to have children to create a second generation of protagonists.


 
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This is the extent of it. It's goofy, stupid, and silly, but it's nothing obscene that would warrant censorship.
Says the biggest FE shill on the website.

Because advocating that media should be uncensored and that we should allow the consumer base to make its own decisions as to what it does and doesn't want to purchase is being a shill.


 
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Hypothetically yes, if the censorship made the work objectively better, it should be done. Why would you not want your art to be the best it can be?

The problem arises when you try to do this in reality, because not everyone agrees on what is "better." Your hypothetical that "IF censorship OBJECTIVELY makes the game better, it should be done" is nice in theory, but can't really be applied.

And also, though I don't know if this needs to be said, I think people are crying about censorship because of the precedent something like this sets. Something as harmless as rubbing someone else's face, as weird as it is, being censored probably doesn't bode well for more serious things in the future.


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There is a difference between tuning a product to create a new, better product and destroying the old product because you dislike it in comparison. I'm all for people taking their liberties to improve upon existing ideas and IP. I just think no one should restrict access to the original content, because ultimately even if something were objectively better to every person, being able to see the context and progression of developing that something is very worth preserving.


I think the whole idea of "tainting" an IP is just silly.
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It's silly and it shouldn't be in the game in the first place because it's just that stupidly silly.

But it's not molesting by any means.....that's like saying pinching a kids cheeks (lets assume the kid is yours) is molesting, under a darker circumstance, probably. But should this be removed from the game if it's already been put in there? No, it in no way is sexual or explicit, just horribly out of place.
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