I think it's time for another "controversial opinions" thread

And because I'm quite obviously the most intelligent person here, if you disagree with me, you're wrong.

- Paedophilia isn't immoral.
- The Iraq War was good.
- Radical Muslims are probably some of the most dangerous people on the planet.
- The government caused the Depression and the Recession.
- Every single drug should be legalised.
- Mental illnesses don't really exist.
- It could, hypothetically, be ethical to kill people for their opinions.
- Collateral damage is more morally troubling than torture.
- Minimum wage should be abolished.
- Corporation taxes should be abolished.
- Adaptation is a better course of action for dealing with global warming.
- People shouldn't have to work for welfare.
- Immigration is almost universally good, and the process should be made much easier.
- I believe in European exceptionalism.
- Interest rates are a stupid way of looking at monetary policy.
- GM foods and nuclear energy are preferable to the status quo.
- Socialism is inevitable.

Agree? Disagree? What're yours?

- Paedophilia isn't immoral.

In what way?

- Radical Muslims are probably some of the most dangerous people on the planet.

I'm glad you specified Radical, and not just Islam in general.

- Mental illnesses don't really exist.

How so?

- It could, hypothetically, be ethical to kill people for their opinions.

Nope.

- Adaptation is a better course of action for dealing with global warming.

How so?

- Immigration is almost universally good, and the process should be made much easier.

Yes.

- Mental illnesses don't really exist.

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Elaborate? Or was this one a red herring?

Genetic modification, eugenics, and controlled reproduction have been tainted in the public eye by pseudoscience and racial policy, but, if handled ethically, may be hugely beneficial.

I'm not going to weigh in on what might or might not be an ethical approach, though.

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In what way?

Condemning paedophiles for being paedophiles is equal to condemning homosexuals or the mentally retarded.

How so?

The causes are wholly physical.

Nope.

Only hypothetically. I highly doubt we could ever experience a situation with specific enough variables

How so?

Just given the current time-frame we have before permafrost starts to melt. It seems highly unlikely we'll stop it.

- Mental illnesses don't really exist.

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Elaborate? Or was this one a red herring?

I assume he means that every "mental" illness has a physical component or explanation to it.

Ah right, god damn tricksy hobbitses.

And because I'm quite obviously the most intelligent person here, if you disagree with me, you're wrong.

- Paedophilia isn't immoral.
- The Iraq War was good.
- Radical Muslims are probably some of the most dangerous people on the planet.
- The government caused the Depression and the Recession.
- Every single drug should be legalised.
- Mental illnesses don't really exist.
- It could, hypothetically, be ethical to kill people for their opinions.
- Collateral damage is more morally troubling than torture.
- Minimum wage should be abolished.
- Corporation taxes should be abolished.
- Adaptation is a better course of action for dealing with global warming.
- People shouldn't have to work for welfare.
- Immigration is almost universally good, and the process should be made much easier.
- I believe in European exceptionalism.
- Interest rates are a stupid way of looking at monetary policy.
- GM foods and nuclear energy are preferable to the status quo.
- Socialism is inevitable.

Agree? Disagree? What're yours?

1) sure i can see where you're coming from, but im not sure little kids can actually consent to that sort of thing so its a weird grey area
2) god bless i have no opinion on this one im too uninformed
3) radicals of any sect can be just as dangerous, but yes
4) spot on
5) to a certain extent of decriminalization, sure. we should definitely treat addiction as a health issue rather than a crime
6) iunno about this one. have you read "The Man Who Mistook His Wife For a Hat" by Oliver Sacks?
7) you're gonna have to elaborate on this one. no opinion for the time being
yep
9) no opinion, too uninformed
10) no opinion, too uninformed
11) sure we can adapt over long periods of time but isnt it also pragmatic to subsidize and encourage alternative energy sources that dont do long term damage to the environment?
12) i agree, and i raise you this unpopular opinion: i like the idea of guaranteed annual income
13) absolutely
14) recorded history also agrees with you on this one. Martin Bernal might want a word with you though
15) no opinion, too uninformed
16) pls elaborate
17) pls elaborate

I've become more moderate on a few of my previously posted beliefs, but I'm still down for zero corporate tax. Also for some reason being an interventionist is frowned upon, so I guess there's that.

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1) sure i can see where you're coming from, but im not sure little kids can actually consent to that sort of thing so its a weird grey area

I'm assuming Meta isn't actually supporting sex with children. There's a big difference between someone being a pedophile, which is something they cannot help at all, and someone who actually acts on his pedophilic urges and molests a child. Condemning the latter as being heinous and criminal is absolutely fine, but demonizing the first group over something they have no control over should be unacceptable in a civilized society.

that is a sensible explanation and i agree

Are we talking about yours or ours? Meh I'll list mine anyway.

I'm gonna spoiler it, so if you get offended it's your own fault, don't start crying about it.

Spoiler

1). Gun ownership should not be a right
2). The NHS needs more funding
3). Health care, education and shelter are basic human rights
4). Israel does not have the right to exist
5). Kosher and Halal slaughter should be banned.
6). Antisemitism is no worse than other forms of discrimination.
7). Iran should have access to nuclear power
. The Military are not heroes
9). 9/11 and the holocaust were not the worst things in human history.
10). Gender rolls are cultural, not biological.
11). The public sector is more important that the private sector.
12). Class A drugs should not be legalised.
13). Democracy is over rated.
14). America is the biggest threat to the world.
15). The state has every right to force places of worship to marry same sex couples
16). The Tories who used tax payer money on Thatchers funeral should be jailed.
17). The death penalty is barbaric and has no place in the21st century, nor do the people who support it.
18). Religion should never interfere with a countries laws.
19). Rehabilitation is more important than punishment.
20). Military vets should not receive welfare or benefits.
21). Hamas are freedom fighters.

You are not obligated to help anyone at all.

- Paedophilia isn't immoral.

I kinda agree. It's not the paedophilia that is bad. It's the sexual abuse and exploitation of a child that is.

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3). Health care, education and shelter are basic human rights

These are globally accepted to be fundamental human rights though. I would not really consider this a controversial opinion.

Some people disagree with all 3.

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3). Health care, education and shelter are basic human rights

These are globally accepted to be fundamental human rights though. I would not really consider this a controversial opinion.

Sadly, in America it would be controversial.

-Northern Ireland should be part of the Republic. I don't agree with the bombings and al the shit the IRA did for "the cause", but I believe Ireland as a whole should be under control of the Irish. Those who associate themselves as British there can by all means stay or  have dual citizenship and all the other technicalities involved with it, but it would and should be Irish.

-Sorta related to the above, I support the recognition of Palestine as a country. I've already discussed this far too many times and I can't give a better solution than any other as to how this should go about with Israel (while I dislike this country, it still has a right to exist as much as Palestine), but it should exist as a sovereign state.

As for other topics, you need to just throw them at me and you can judge whether they are controversial or not. I know these two however always get some rage directed at me from somewhere.

Ahh...Bait, the thread.

Anyway, 90% of people who are rich did not become like that through 100% hard work, but by luck or nepotism.

And because I'm quite obviously the most intelligent person here, if you disagree with me, you're wrong.

- Paedophilia isn't immoral.
- The Iraq War was good.
- Radical Muslims are probably some of the most dangerous people on the planet.
- The government caused the Depression and the Recession.
- Every single drug should be legalised.
- Mental illnesses don't really exist.
- It could, hypothetically, be ethical to kill people for their opinions.
- Collateral damage is more morally troubling than torture.
- Minimum wage should be abolished.
- Corporation taxes should be abolished.
- Adaptation is a better course of action for dealing with global warming.
- People shouldn't have to work for welfare.
- Immigration is almost universally good, and the process should be made much easier.
- I believe in European exceptionalism.
- Interest rates are a stupid way of looking at monetary policy.
- GM foods and nuclear energy are preferable to the status quo.
- Socialism is inevitable.

Agree? Disagree? What're yours?

-Having the attraction isn't, necessarily. acting on it can be.
-eh, whatever the case we're never leaving that part of the world
-nothing quite as dangerous as a wacko that believes he has a divine duty to kill you
-I can maybe agree w/ this, ever read Larry Niven's Known Space? There is a thing that can be abused to cause direct pleasure to the brain, it actually created a Darwinian selection effect in humans for self-control.
-if by that you mean there is always a physical affliction?  Our minds are a product of a physical system, that's not really controversial, nor should it be.
-their both pretty shitty, but yeah collateral damage poses the biggest ethical issue.
-eh
-eh
-at this point it's the only course of action, that and geo-engineering, risky but. . .you know, terraforming.
-eh
-within reason
-exceptionally lucky?
-monetary policy is boring
-FUCKING THIS
-automation is a powerful driver for it

If you support GMOs in any way, you're a fucking confirmed retard.

-Celebrities don’t deserve the right to complain about the paparazzi
-We need to stop giving a fuck about feelings. If a person gets offended then oh fucking well, get the fuck over it
-Affirmative action should be illegal
-Al Sharpton should be arrested for inciting riots and destruction of property
-Militias have the right to patrol the border and shoot on sight
-Bring back corporal punishment in schools
-Some kids are just plain stupid and will have to be left behind
-Repeal ObamaCare and make it illegal for the government to pass similar taxes
-Legalize prostitution
-Self-defense and gun ownership is a natural right
-Politicians don't deserve to be paid or have a salary
-People should not be expected to pay taxes if the government can't balance the budget
-Life begins at conception
-Religion is a basis for morals
-Gold standard is the only hope for the world economy
-Free trade agreements purposely exploit 3rd world countries
-Stop foreign aid and prioritize the nation before others
-Build a fucking wall and deport people who are here illegally
-Being able to comprehensible read and speak English should be a citizenship requirement
-Endorse a Prostate Cancer Awareness month/Male History Month
-Label groups like the KKK and New Black Panther Party as hate and terrorist organizations
-Ban socialist and communist parties
-Division of California into separate states
-GMOs can't be trusted
-Monsanto should be broken up for being a monopoly
-Suicide is evidence of natural selection
-People on government assistance should not be able to give birth
-Not all cultures are equal
-Prisoners should not be charged for murder if they kill somebody behind bars
-A wife's first priority is to be in charge of the household and children
-Diseases like cancer, diabetes, heart disease, etc is natures way of population control
-We've gone overboard on vaccination
-Men have equal say in abortion and raising children
-Father should not be forced to pay child support if he wants an abortion
-Women studies is one of the most retarded degrees a person can get
-A person must pass a simple government test before getting a voter ID


I can think of more later.

*grabs popcorn*

If you support GMOs in any way, you're a fucking confirmed retard.

I support GMOs, but completely oppose patented seeds.

Fuck companies like Monsanto. I trust the science, not the companies.

-We need to stop giving a fuck about feelings. If a person gets offended then oh fucking well, get the fuck over it

-Celebrities don’t deserve the right to complain about the paparazzi
-We need to stop giving a fuck about feelings. If a person gets offended then oh fucking well, get the fuck over it
-Al Sharpton should be arrested for inciting riots and destruction of property
-Militias have the right to patrol the border and shoot on sight
-Bring back corporal punishment in schools
-Some kids are just plain stupid and will have to be left behind
-Repeal ObamaCare and make it illegal for the government to pass similar taxes
-Politicians don't deserve to be paid or have a salary
-People should not be expected to pay taxes if the government can't balance the budget
-Life begins at conception
-Religion is a basis for morals
-Stop foreign aid and prioritize the nation before others
-Build a fucking wall and deport people who are here illegally
-Being able to comprehensible read and speak English should be a citizenship requirement
-Ban socialist and communist parties
-Division of California into separate states
-GMOs can't be trusted
-Suicide is evidence of natural selection
-People on government assistance should not be able to give birth
-Not all cultures are equal
-Prisoners should not be charged for murder if they kill somebody behind bars
-A wife's first priority is to be in charge of the household and children
-We've gone overboard on vaccination
-A person must pass a simple government test before getting a voter ID

These are just the ones I disagree with. Now for the really laughable ones.

-Al Sharpton should be arrested for inciting riots and destruction of property
-Militias have the right to patrol the border and shoot on sight
-Build a fucking wall and deport people who are here illegally
-Being able to comprehensible read and speak English should be a citizenship requirement
-Ban socialist and communist parties
-A wife's first priority is to be in charge of the household and children

If you support GMOs in any way, you're a fucking confirmed retard.

please try again when there isn't a near universal consensus that they are fine.
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ge-crops-safety-pub-list-1.xls
scroll to bottom and click that list of almost 2,000 studies


If you wanna talk about Monsanto's business model and abuse of policy then yeah.

If you support GMOs in any way, you're a fucking confirmed retard.

please try again when there isn't a near universal consensus that they are fine.
http://www.geneticliteracyproject.org/wp/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/Ge-crops-safety-pub-list-1.xls
scroll to bottom and click that list of almost 2,000 studies


If you wanna talk about Monsanto's business model and abuse of policy then yeah.

Universal consensus doesn't mean shit. Genetically modifying food to be more filling, or resist insects, or whatever, is inherently wrong. Talk to be when you're not brainwashed by the corporate conglomerate anymore.