I think the GOP is at least smart enough to recognize this.
like, you don't list a long series of great, wonderful things and then say "why do you want this"
Quote from: LC on October 01, 2015, 10:45:47 PMI think the GOP is at least smart enough to recognize this.~ 40% still think that President Obama either is a Muslim, or wasn't born in the United States.Don't give their base too much credit.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 01, 2015, 10:47:36 PMQuote from: LC on October 01, 2015, 10:45:47 PMI think the GOP is at least smart enough to recognize this.~ 40% still think that President Obama either is a Muslim, or wasn't born in the United States.Don't give their base too much credit.Yeah yeah, and I'm sure there's plenty of statistics that I could pull up to show that Democrats are disconnected from reality too.
and the very bottom of our economy gets more and more pushed out, struggle, and told to suck it up and put themselves in unpayable debt.
You can piss on socialism all you want--there's no way you can make capitalism look appealing.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 01, 2015, 09:50:43 PMand the very bottom of our economy gets more and more pushed out, struggle, and told to suck it up and put themselves in unpayable debt.That's just not true; there were evidence of credit constraints for ~4pc of the population prior to federalisation, but that phenomenon hasn't survived. If there's an issue with student debt post-hoc, it's the fact you can't declare bankruptcy on them.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 01, 2015, 10:12:54 PMYou can piss on socialism all you want--there's no way you can make capitalism look appealing.
Is that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?
(Not defending Verb's point), but to me, this image only shows that the rise of capitalism hasn't helped reduce the number of people in severe poverty (Which still hovers around 1 billion) - it does show a reduce in the percentage as more and more people are born into capitalist nations (Or those nations convert throughout the 1800's to early 1900's) and generally do well.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 07:46:50 AMIs that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?Both, IIRC.
It's actually quite an interesting graph; a lot of the reduction in poverty has come from (as you say) people being born into capitalist nations, but there has been genuine development since the 1970s in both China and India which has been responsible for the genuine decline of poverty. Even if this kind of "genuine" development hadn't occurred, we would still find ourselves in a world with an economic system capable of sustaining living standards unimaginable only a century ago. The stubbornness of the 'bottom billion' mostly arises from population growth in Africa.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 07:37:06 AMQuote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 01, 2015, 10:12:54 PMYou can piss on socialism all you want--there's no way you can make capitalism look appealing.Thank you for helping my point. See how that red part exists? It shouldn't exist.Nothing about this makes capitalism look appealing in any way whatsoever. In fact, it makes me hate it even more. Thank you.
Thank you for helping my point. See how that red part exists? It shouldn't exist.Nothing about this makes capitalism look appealing in any way whatsoever. In fact, it makes me hate it even more. Thank you.
We'd get paid in real wealth.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 08:55:44 AMWe'd get paid in real wealth.What does that even mean?
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 08:12:08 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 07:46:50 AMIs that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?Both, IIRC.I'd like to see the source.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 08:18:10 AMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 08:12:08 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 07:46:50 AMIs that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?Both, IIRC.I'd like to see the source.WSJ actually had a piece on it pretty recently.
Goods.
Quote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 10:11:25 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 08:18:10 AMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 08:12:08 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 07:46:50 AMIs that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?Both, IIRC.I'd like to see the source.WSJ actually had a piece on it pretty recently.Is there a way around the pay wall?
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 10:12:00 AMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 10:11:25 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 08:18:10 AMQuote from: Meta as Fuck on October 02, 2015, 08:12:08 AMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 02, 2015, 07:46:50 AMIs that in reference to public, private, or both types of loans?Both, IIRC.I'd like to see the source.WSJ actually had a piece on it pretty recently.Is there a way around the pay wall?https://www.google.co.uk/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=White+house+floats+bankruptcy+process+for+some+student+debt+WSJ&tbm=nwsClick the top link, I think that may work. If not, I'm pretty sure the paywall can be bypassed in incognito browsing.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on October 02, 2015, 10:10:39 AMGoods.Which is utterly impractical; the point of money is that it is fungible, it represents the goods and services you can consume with it.
The existence of rationing makes it seem a little less impractical to me.
The whole reason we have a price mechanism is because, informationally, it's far superior to some kind of governmental rationing system.
I particularly like how hard republicans fight to make Bernie the evil socialist who is going to transform the entire government.
Quote from: Mad Max on October 05, 2015, 09:54:43 PMI particularly like how hard republicans fight to make Bernie the evil socialist who is going to transform the entire government.Whether or not you like Sanders, you surely must agree that his plans and initiatives would be sweeping changes to how the government works and operates in our day to day lives
I hope you guys aren't actually voting for Bernie "reddit" Sanders
