I find myself questioning the naturalistic fallacy on these grounds.

Mere coincidence. Rape is also fairly natural.

Think of it like a hierarchy, with more sophisticated emotions catering to more sophisticated social structures.

I feel like most of that applies to almost everyone though.

Like I said to Raptor, you have to inflate it to the point where it is no longer normal.

When I say rage, I don't just mean frustration. I mean literal, wanting to fucking hurt somebody rage. And devaluation of people isn't just being disappointed, it's literally hating somebody for a length of time.

Impulsivity isn't just spur of the moment shit, it's committing petty crimes on a whim and then lying to authority figures and trying to blame others.

See what I mean?

You don't think capitalism rewards ruthlessness?

No, that's what I'm saying, it's surviving in spite of society, not because of it.

It comes from a fluke, or a niche, or a blind-spot in "the tribe's" moral reasoning and emotional response. The way CEOs get away with this is by exploiting such situations, and psychopaths can only get away with stuff like that because they're <1pc of the population.

If you tweaked some of the variables, and had child labour in the middle of London, excessive pollution and ruthless CEOs, they'd probably face some sort of social backlash. The fact that this ruthlessness tends to be comparatively diffuse and removed from people's situations is the reason their emotional response isn't the same as it would be in a more concentrated community.

Humans show signs of self-domestication, and that's because the formation of moral communities was paramount to our survival. We would kill people who violated the codes of these moral communities, and psychopaths (among other mentally ill people) would've been straight-up killed if they acted out. You can't  found a community of psychopaths, because their success is quite literally predicated on the exploitation of the non-psychopathic.

What's your opinion on emotion?

I don't really have one.

I mean, they can be fucking annoying, but I don't have much experience of them.

From what I can tell they seem like a hindrance.

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 18, 2014, 04:46:38 PM

From what I can tell they seem like a hindrance.

Not always. If they motivate you and give you confidence, then they really help you out in life. Though you probably already know that.

Oh, sure, but I'm talking more about interpersonal emotions like love and attachment.

Things like ambition and pride are fine.

Quote from: Raptor the Kid (24) on November 18, 2014, 03:45:21 PM

What kind of rage we talking?

As in wanting to hit somebody for telling you to get dressed.

Like imagining hitting/torturing them in your head as you quietly grumble yet feel on the cusp of a total breakdown, or out loud threatening them?

Cos I do the former all the time with bus drivers.

With all due respect, why would you openly disclose such information?

I know you have a right to do what you want with said information and being open about it to the right people certainly helps, but no matter what psychological or physical state I was in I wouldn't be so forthwith with that info, let alone making it freely availables to the likes of us.

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I suppose it might come down to your impulsiveness as you mentioned, but fuck what do I know, I'm not a psychologist

A mixture of impulsiveness and narcissism.