If humans were purely carnivorous then vegetarians wouldn't even really be a thing... 'cause like... they'd all be dead.
Seeing as we don't consider a lion immoral for eating a wild gazelle, why would the morality of the consumption of meat by humans even be questioned?
We are more intelligent than lions and can question whether what we do is wrong or not, for one.
Quote from: Snake Wilson on July 04, 2015, 09:42:54 PM We are more intelligent than lions and can question whether what we do is wrong or not, for one.And assuming we were a purely carnivorous race we should just remove ourselves from existence based on that alone? That doesn't even begin to make sense.
If we were purely carnivorous, we would never have progressed as a species the way we have, settling down to farm.There's absolutely no way of knowing for sure if we would even have cultures or a concept of morality.
How would it be immoral? It would be eat or die, there would be no question.
...would that make the consumption of animals moral?
Seeing as we don't consider a lion immoral for eating a wild gazelle
See this is where i find the idea of morality a little silly. Survival should really be your number 1 goal. This idea that it's "morally wrong" to survive makes absolutely no sense to me.
Quote from: TBlocks on July 04, 2015, 11:16:35 PMSee this is where i find the idea of morality a little silly. Survival should really be your number 1 goal. This idea that it's "morally wrong" to survive makes absolutely no sense to me.it's not that it's morally wrong to survive--it's futile to survivethere's no point in survival--you're gonna die either wayand whether you die when you're eighty or when you're forty, it doesn't really make that much of a differencethe only thing that's "wrong" by any measure is the system itself
So why care that the system is wrong? Who are you to judge this system?
Quote from: TBlocks on July 04, 2015, 11:21:00 PMSo why care that the system is wrong? Who are you to judge this system?what do you meanif i realize that the game i'm playing is rigged or broken in some fashion, i shouldn't care about that?why can't i judge the system? i see bad stuff happening everywhere--i'm not just gonna accept it
Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be
Quote from: TBlocks on July 04, 2015, 11:26:48 PMMaybe this is the way it's supposed to bemaybe it isn'tyou can't prove that this is the way it's "supposed" to be
And I suppose you think you can change it?
If the system is natural then it's really only broken to you. Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be in which case I don't see how anything could be "broken" Basically the system will carry on with or without you.
Quote from: TBlocks on July 04, 2015, 11:26:48 PMIf the system is natural then it's really only broken to you. Maybe this is the way it's supposed to be in which case I don't see how anything could be "broken" Basically the system will carry on with or without you.Broken =/= "doesn't work" in this context. It means "could be working a lot better".
I guess what I'm trying to ask is "Do you think you can make the universe work "better" with your small and relatively insignificant view of how life should be?"
Quote from: TBlocks on July 05, 2015, 12:37:07 AMI guess what I'm trying to ask is "Do you think you can make the universe work "better" with your small and relatively insignificant view of how life should be?"I don't know what you mean by "relatively insignificant view".If you mean that it isn't a view held by most people, well, that's exactly the problem. We need to speak out and challenge irrational views, not sit back and let people continue to hold them.
Relatively insignificant in the way of how truly small we are compared to the universe.
What I believe you and others have proposed is that ending another organism's life is morally wrong even if for survival yet there are organisms whose sole purpose is to do just that. Are they morally wrong in living the way they live?
It seems to be a totally counter intuitive idea than what most of the universe already lives by.