While I don't nominally disagree with the whole "consent is everything" mantra, I do believe that it's possible to violate consent if only the cost-benefit analysis of the imposition tends towards a net gain. Any person--no matter who they are--should be willing to sacrifice themselves for a million others. Your "sovereign individual rights" come second when others are involved.

To think otherwise is solipsistic and... kinda selfish and evil.

We don't live in a vacuum.

While I don't nominally disagree with the whole "consent is everything" mantra, I do believe that it's possible to violate consent if only the cost-benefit analysis of the imposition tends towards a net gain. Any person--no matter who they are--should be willing to sacrifice themselves for a million others. Your "sovereign individual rights" come second when others are involved.

To think otherwise is solipsistic and... kinda selfish and evil.

We don't live in a vacuum.

i agree, you should be willing to

But you have no right to force the unwilling

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SecondClass and Door should be anti-natalists.

people who don't physically exist yet are not people

>thinking it matters

animals aren't people, either
guess they shouldn't have rights

cant have rights if you're not real

cool arbitrary line in the sand bro

yeah you can--it's called the right to continue not existing

or as i like to call it, the "fuck-you-cunt-i-don't-want-to-exist-in-your-shit-fucking-planet" statute

While I don't nominally disagree with the whole "consent is everything" mantra, I do believe that it's possible to violate consent if only the cost-benefit analysis of the imposition tends towards a net gain. Any person--no matter who they are--should be willing to sacrifice themselves for a million others. Your "sovereign individual rights" come second when others are involved.

I agree with this. People should be willing to sacrifice themselves to stop the Holocaust. That's obvious.

But if they're not willing to, then they're not willing to. You can't just treat it like they agreed to it and kill them anyway. It's selfish for them to decline, sure, but it's still their choice. Your life is no one but yours, and you're under no obligation to end it, no matter how much good may come from doing so.

Excellent.

The "rape or incest" compromise is bullshit anyway.

If a developing fetus is in fact a person, then the circumstances of their conception are irrelevant- they have a right to life.

If the fetus is not a person, it has no more or less right to life than any other, regardless of circumstances of conception.

Excellent point.

That's why I maintain that a fetus is not a person. You're right that manner of conception doesn't make the fetus any more or less of a person.

who let you back in

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Quote from: Verbatim on August 18, 2015, 08:54:28 PM

SecondClass and Door should be anti-natalists.

Honestly? I'm starting to see the value of anti-natalism now. I can't speak for everyone, but it seems cruel to be put into this world, get a taste of existence, just to have it stripped away 75 years later. There's a great sequence in True Detective where MM pretty much talks about how sentience, self-awareness, is a tragic flaw in evolution. Animals don't sit around all day and worry about death or think about nonexistence. They just live.

"Boooo hooo we're gunna die ;_;"

Fuck off you pussy

have you ever had a moment of critical thinking in your life?

You obsess over death wayyyyy too much. You're constantly whining about it. When it's time to die, why not take it like a man? Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

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Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

Neuroticism is the characteristic of the intelligent and lack of thought is that of the simple, dumb animals.

And it's also a characteristic of the weak-minded.

Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

You obsess over death wayyyyy too much. You're constantly whining about it. When it's time to die, why not take it like a man? Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

You're probably right. I'm not going to say that death and nonexistence doesn't terrify the hell out of me. If that's a symptom of a weak will, then that's that. Call me a defeatist, I wouldn't argue with that.

Instead of fearing it, you should embrace it. Conquer it and make it your bitch

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Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

You obsess over death wayyyyy too much. You're constantly whining about it. When it's time to die, why not take it like a man? Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

You're probably right. I'm not going to say that death and nonexistence doesn't terrify the hell out of me. If that's a symptom of a weak will, then that's that. Call me a defeatist, I wouldn't argue with that.

Instead of fearing it, you should embrace it. Conquer it and make it your bitch

Thinking that you can conquer death is straight up retarded tbh

In the sense that you can avoid it, yes. But mentally conquer it? I don't see why not.

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Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 19, 2015, 01:27:25 PM

Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

You obsess over death wayyyyy too much. You're constantly whining about it. When it's time to die, why not take it like a man? Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

You're probably right. I'm not going to say that death and nonexistence doesn't terrify the hell out of me. If that's a symptom of a weak will, then that's that. Call me a defeatist, I wouldn't argue with that.

Instead of fearing it, you should embrace it. Conquer it and make it your bitch

Thinking that you can conquer death is straight up retarded tbh

In the sense that you can avoid it, yes. But mentally conquer it? I don't see why not.

I fear what I can't comprehend, and no one can truly understand nonexistence

>Implying death = nonexistence

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Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 01:30:55 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 19, 2015, 01:29:54 PM

Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 01:29:24 PM

Quote from: SecondClass on August 19, 2015, 01:27:25 PM

Quote from: SHAWN BEEN on August 19, 2015, 12:47:27 PM

You obsess over death wayyyyy too much. You're constantly whining about it. When it's time to die, why not take it like a man? Your constant obsession tells me you have a weak mind and aren't strong willed - you can't cope with it.

You're probably right. I'm not going to say that death and nonexistence doesn't terrify the hell out of me. If that's a symptom of a weak will, then that's that. Call me a defeatist, I wouldn't argue with that.

Instead of fearing it, you should embrace it. Conquer it and make it your bitch

Thinking that you can conquer death is straight up retarded tbh

In the sense that you can avoid it, yes. But mentally conquer it? I don't see why not.

I fear what I can't comprehend, and no one can truly understand nonexistence

>Implying death = nonexistence

Well, once you die, your consciousness ceases to exist, so yeah, it kinda does.