Quote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:40:25 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:38:16 PMQuote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:34:55 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:32:32 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.Is there somebody out to get youOh good point. I'm sure everyone that has gotten killed knew that person was out to kill them. How foolish of them to die even with prior notice.So much paranoia If you're living in a place where you feel the need to constantly be close to a gun then maybe you should move.Not everyone can afford to just up and move, especially inner city families. Why quit one's job and buy a 75k+ home, when you can buy a $750 dollar (or less) gun and some bullets?
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:38:16 PMQuote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:34:55 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:32:32 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.Is there somebody out to get youOh good point. I'm sure everyone that has gotten killed knew that person was out to kill them. How foolish of them to die even with prior notice.So much paranoia If you're living in a place where you feel the need to constantly be close to a gun then maybe you should move.
Quote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:34:55 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:32:32 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.Is there somebody out to get youOh good point. I'm sure everyone that has gotten killed knew that person was out to kill them. How foolish of them to die even with prior notice.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:32:32 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.Is there somebody out to get you
Quote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool?
Quote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.
Quote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?
To be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on August 28, 2015, 03:58:08 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 03:52:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:51:33 PMOh no how dare someone support personal freedom. What an injustice.The Euro fags are mostly from England. England is factually more free than America, and has consistently championed for human rights far far longer.Sorry, kiddo.>bongland>free>a major political party campaigned on criminalizing "islamophobia" and its members weren't lynched on the streetLOL> Tea Party
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 03:52:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:51:33 PMOh no how dare someone support personal freedom. What an injustice.The Euro fags are mostly from England. England is factually more free than America, and has consistently championed for human rights far far longer.Sorry, kiddo.>bongland>free>a major political party campaigned on criminalizing "islamophobia" and its members weren't lynched on the streetLOL
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:51:33 PMOh no how dare someone support personal freedom. What an injustice.The Euro fags are mostly from England. England is factually more free than America, and has consistently championed for human rights far far longer.Sorry, kiddo.
Oh no how dare someone support personal freedom. What an injustice.
Why do people get so butthurt when they're told to fuck off to somewhere that has the laws they want. I don't get it.Like if I were in Saudi Arabia and my friend wanted to go somewhere he could convert to Christianity, and I told him to fuck off to America or Europe, he'd be like "oh fuck good idea".But when an American wants European-style healthcare or welfare or gun laws, and I tell him to fuck off to a country with those things instead of trying to force them on me, he gets butthurt. Why?Clearly you're not proud to be American and you're not proud of our laws or culture. Why not go be a part of one you can actually appreciate?
Quote from: Sly Instinct on August 28, 2015, 04:03:40 PMQuote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:40:25 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:38:16 PMQuote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 03:34:55 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:32:32 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:27:27 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 03:07:04 PMQuote from: Flee on August 28, 2015, 03:03:49 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 02:24:32 PMQuote from: Saladin on August 28, 2015, 02:21:47 PMTo be honest I don't know why Americans feel the need to even own guns. Like, you're not special, many other countries get along just fine without 'em.Maybe because its an unalienable right?It isn't, though. It's far from being recognized as a universal right (and rightfully so) and your amendment too can be amended.You're not American. It's our unalienable right. I don't really find a problem with a non-american criticizing our laws but you can't go forcing your rhetoric upon us. Just because it's not your unalienable right doesn't mean it isn't ours.A right to self defense? Sure. But a right to own a specific man-made tool? And how do you suggest we defend ourselves?I'm genuinely intrigued and not being sarcastic.Is there somebody out to get youOh good point. I'm sure everyone that has gotten killed knew that person was out to kill them. How foolish of them to die even with prior notice.So much paranoia If you're living in a place where you feel the need to constantly be close to a gun then maybe you should move.Not everyone can afford to just up and move, especially inner city families. Why quit one's job and buy a 75k+ home, when you can buy a $750 dollar (or less) gun and some bullets?Would you rather go through the trouble of finding a new home and job or your entire family killed because you chose the wrong place to settle in. Just because you have a gun does not mean you're instantly safe.
This post strikes me as a little odd, as an American aren't people allowed to express their voices and wish for change in their country? Isn't that covered by free speech. Surely it's Un-American to tell people to leave the country for voicing their opinion on a matter.
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:06:21 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:05:22 PMonce again>implying human rights is the only aspect of freedomAlright I'll biteWhat other things would you consider freedom?the freedom to do what i please as long as its not infringing upon another being's rightsdoing what i want may consist of owning a gun and i have that freedom until i use it to harm someone else in an unjustified manner and infringe upon their rights
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:05:22 PMonce again>implying human rights is the only aspect of freedomAlright I'll biteWhat other things would you consider freedom?
once again>implying human rights is the only aspect of freedom
Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on August 28, 2015, 04:04:10 PMWhy do people get so butthurt when they're told to fuck off to somewhere that has the laws they want. I don't get it.Like if I were in Saudi Arabia and my friend wanted to go somewhere he could convert to Christianity, and I told him to fuck off to America or Europe, he'd be like "oh fuck good idea".But when an American wants European-style healthcare or welfare or gun laws, and I tell him to fuck off to a country with those things instead of trying to force them on me, he gets butthurt. Why?Clearly you're not proud to be American and you're not proud of our laws or culture. Why not go be a part of one you can actually appreciate?This post strikes me as a little odd, as an American aren't people allowed to express their voices and wish for change in their country? Isn't that covered by free speech. Surely it's Un-American to tell people to leave the country for voicing their opinion on a matter.
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:16:06 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:11:47 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:06:21 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:05:22 PMonce again>implying human rights is the only aspect of freedomAlright I'll biteWhat other things would you consider freedom?the freedom to do what i please as long as its not infringing upon another being's rightsdoing what i want may consist of owning a gun and i have that freedom until i use it to harm someone else in an unjustified manner and infringe upon their rightsWhat you described sounds something just short of anarchy.Because that would be so bad
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:11:47 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:06:21 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:05:22 PMonce again>implying human rights is the only aspect of freedomAlright I'll biteWhat other things would you consider freedom?the freedom to do what i please as long as its not infringing upon another being's rightsdoing what i want may consist of owning a gun and i have that freedom until i use it to harm someone else in an unjustified manner and infringe upon their rightsWhat you described sounds something just short of anarchy.
Its un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.
the freedom to do what i please as long as its not infringing upon another being's rights
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:18:42 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:16:25 PMIts un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.Which abolished freedom are we talking about?The freedom to own a firearm
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:16:25 PMIts un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.Which abolished freedom are we talking about?
What you described sounds something just short of anarchy.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:11:47 PMthe freedom to do what i please as long as its not infringing upon another being's rightsAnd this is why the U.S is such a clusterfuck compared to Europe.People think they can do whatever they want unless someone stops them.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:19:31 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:18:42 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:16:25 PMIts un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.Which abolished freedom are we talking about?The freedom to own a firearmI don't think anyone here was talking about getting rid of them entirely though.And even then, the 2nd Amendment is debated anyway because of how it's interpreted."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."Many argue that they are talking about a militia being kept up in order to not let the federal government take over. Others say it is what we have now.In the end, it was the founding fathers fault for not making it more clear.
Quote from: Incan on August 28, 2015, 04:12:25 PMQuote from: Lemy the Lizerd on August 28, 2015, 04:04:10 PMWhy do people get so butthurt when they're told to fuck off to somewhere that has the laws they want. I don't get it.Like if I were in Saudi Arabia and my friend wanted to go somewhere he could convert to Christianity, and I told him to fuck off to America or Europe, he'd be like "oh fuck good idea".But when an American wants European-style healthcare or welfare or gun laws, and I tell him to fuck off to a country with those things instead of trying to force them on me, he gets butthurt. Why?Clearly you're not proud to be American and you're not proud of our laws or culture. Why not go be a part of one you can actually appreciate?This post strikes me as a little odd, as an American aren't people allowed to express their voices and wish for change in their country? Isn't that covered by free speech. Surely it's Un-American to tell people to leave the country for voicing their opinion on a matter.Its un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.
Quote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:21:01 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:19:31 PMQuote from: Luciana on August 28, 2015, 04:18:42 PMQuote from: SoporificSlash on August 28, 2015, 04:16:25 PMIts un-American to say we should abolish a freedom that the country was founded upon. Its not like voicing your opinion over healthcare for instance. You're saying that we should throw away a founding principle of the whole country, its part of our culture.Which abolished freedom are we talking about?The freedom to own a firearmI don't think anyone here was talking about getting rid of them entirely though.And even then, the 2nd Amendment is debated anyway because of how it's interpreted."A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."Many argue that they are talking about a militia being kept up in order to not let the federal government take over. Others say it is what we have now.In the end, it was the founding fathers fault for not making it more clear.My understanding was that all you cucks were arguing for completely ban on firearms. That's what I've been arguing this whole time. I support some moderate regulation probably akin to Das' ideas.
-License to purchase a weapon that must be renewed every 5 years -All guns must be kept in a safe when not being used -Random checkups to ensure you're following he law -Mandatory background checks with mental evaluations when purchasing a weapon and a license -Ban fully automatic rifles nationwide -Ban semi-auto rifles but bolt action rifles are fine-Still allow handguns and shotguns -Ban open carry -Concealed carry is only licened to a person if they're in an emergency -Ban private sales of firearms -Ban handguns that have a barrel length under 4in