Quote from: Kitsunekun on August 28, 2015, 10:18:32 AM

I do not support gun control, because I believe every mentally mature adult deserves the right to own a gun if they wish to.

What purpose do fully automatic weapons serve?

And while people who have mental illnesses cannot get guns part of the reason is if mentally ill people were allowed it would cause a lot of fear and paranoia.

The fear is real. I believe there is a dark future ahead of us if things continue to go down this path of control. I believe in a few conspiracies, but to stay on point I don't support total gun control because it is our Constitutional Right to Bear Arms.

I do believe they need to be more thorough with mental stability screening. There are people out there Who have the ability to aim, shoot, and Fire at Will without any remorse. We do need to protect the public from those psychopaths . In order to do this "fairly" someone would have to develop a new type of "standardized code/test" to determine the universal measure of at what mental capacity an adult has to be to own a gun. They would have to legally define the moral code (which differs from person to person) of what behaviors grant the right to to Bear Arms.

That's pretty deep and extensive research.

 

Quote from: Septy on August 28, 2015, 10:55:03 AM

Quote from: Kitsunekun on August 28, 2015, 10:18:32 AM

I do not support gun control, because I believe every mentally mature adult deserves the right to own a gun if they wish to.

What purpose do fully automatic weapons serve?

And while people who have mental illnesses cannot get guns part of the reason is if mentally ill people were allowed it would cause a lot of fear and paranoia.

The fear is real. I believe there is a dark future ahead of us if things continue to go down this path of control. I believe in a few conspiracies, but to stay on point I don't support total gun control because it is our Constitutional Right to Bear Arms.

I do believe they need to be more thorough with mental stability screening. There are people out there Who have the ability to aim, shoot, and Fire at Will without any remorse. We do need to protect the public from those psychopaths . In order to do this "fairly" someone would have to develop a new type of "standardized code/test" to determine the universal measure of at what mental capacity an adult has to be to own a gun. They would have to legally define the moral code (which differs from person to person) of what behaviors grant the right to to Bear Arms.

That's pretty deep and extensive research.

 

If we have the right to bear arms in order to protect the right of citizens from the government then why can't I buy a machine gun or a rocket launcher.

I have the right to bear arms

then why can't I buy a machine gun

You can.
Legally, too.

Quote from: SuperIrish on August 28, 2015, 10:24:09 AM

-To enforce the above, sale and purchase of guns would be through licensed and vetted dealers only, who would request your gun card before a purchase can be accepted. To remove guns from the market, sale of guns to said dealers would be simple, appropriate money given for the gun and no questions asked, regardless of having a gun card or legality of the gun being sold. Trade-ins would still require a valid card however.

You're going to need a national registry for this to work, which is explicitly made illegal by the FOPA '86.

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-Limit on how many guns you can own, by category and caliber. 1 pistol, shotgun(pump-action/double-barrel), rifle (bolt-action) per person. You could get a Deagle .50 no problem, but don't expect any caliber for your other guns past .22/(whatever gauge shot is small, 20ga+ or something). This would be more strict in densely populated areas and more lenient in the vast emptinesses of Alaska where guns are more for personal defense from wild animals than wild people. Collectors can have more guns, but any amount above the allowed amount have to be decomissioned.

One rifle per person? So I have to shoot small game with the 7mm or 30.06 I'd have for deer and not a .22lr like a sane person?

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-Straight-up ban of anything automatic and semi automatic (barring pistols)

Why are we leaving semi-auto pistols alone? They're far more prevalent and used in shootings more than  semi-automatic rifles.

All valid criticisms, although to be fair I didn't know having a national registry was illegal (why is that in this case? Something to do with the constitution?), and for the pistol thing I doubt the American people would accept something that far given y'know, guns being pretty rooted in American culture.

As a few people have said, more background checks. At this point you can't really ban automatic rifles since plenty of people already have them already, so just make sure that people have a sane state of mind before getting their hands on a gun.

While a pretty large amount of people have automatic weapons, they are a tiny fraction of the guns owned in the United States. Getting fully automatic weapons in the U.S. is very difficult and very expensive. It requires many legal loopholes, psych evaluations, a special license, a special tax, you have to register the gun, and the guns are usually extremely expensive. I don't even think banning automatic rifles would do anything since crimes commited with them are virtually nonexistent in the U.S.

And to be serious, if the citizens ever truly needed to rise up and revolt against the Government the military would be one of the first to revolt. And other countries would also intervene to help the citizens as well as the U.N.

I don't seen any logic in this. The United States government would not allow a singular event significant enough to incite mass revolt from its citizens. It would opt to gain complete control over them slowly with small shrouded steps over many years so no red flags are raised. If any such revolts did happen, the government would blackout the media and those revolting would be labeled as terrorists. People would be kept in the dark. If things got really bad, they would shut down the internet and phone usage. Most of the population wouldn't know what was happening. If the U.N. or an other country did get involved, I would imagine it would be to help restore order and silence the protests. But all of this happening is unlikely because anything the government wants to pass that would cause such revolts would be passed in secrecy and would be kept out of the media so that the majority of the population is unaware of it, and those that are and try to warn people are labeled as conspiracy theorists.

You can not solve the problem of guns in the U.S. without changing various aspect of the United States' culture. These aspects being its gun and mental health cultures. In a world where guns are constantly demonized by the media, people stay away from them and rob themselves and their families of basic information regarding firearms. They keep the knowledge of firearms safety, terminology, and functionality away from themselves. This allows them to be easily swayed by the media who is the only educational authority they know when it comes to guns, and it also puts them in more danger when they encounter guns because of their lack of basic knowledge of gun safety. Many think that guns are something they will never need. Something that only criminals and the paranoid use. Something that should go away and by doing that, the crazy people won't be able to kill anyone anymore. States of mind such as these only serve to harm the mental health and gun cultures in the U.S.. Crazy people will always be around. People will always find ways to kill other people. Guns do make it easier and gun control in the U.S. does have room for improvement, but punishing the many by taking guns away because of the actions of the few will only make the many angry. You cannot solve one thing without solving the other. Mental health in the U.S. needs to be addressed. The United states is full of mentally unstable people and we often don't know they are unstable until it is too late. When mass shootings happen, we start looking at what enabled them to kill so many people rather than why they killed so many people. Things like what was wrong with them, how many other are out there like them, and how can we help them to prevent this are questions we need to be asking along side rational gun control questions.