How many genders do you recognize?

Cheat · September 21, 2014, 04:00:53 PM

Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 21, 2014, 02:01:01 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 21, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
What you mean?
You know exactly what I mean, but I guess I will waste my time explaining it anyway. There are two sexes, male and female, which are dependent upon what sexual organs you are born with. Gender, something that is entirely different than sex, is determined by what you identify as, and there are numerous genders, because gender is a spectrum.

Even that's not true 100% of the time. There are variations and 'errors' that produce a person with strange chromosomal or genital combinations.

I'd say it's naive to believe gender is a strict binary when the more concrete sex isn't always so.

🂿 · September 21, 2014, 04:10:45 PM

I don't recognize genders. I don't like to label people. But if this poll is confusing Gender with someone's sex, I voted 2 for that.

Dustin · September 21, 2014, 04:18:39 PM

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Garem · September 21, 2014, 05:29:37 PM

Obviously more than two, I'm not a fucking moron. Why is this even a question?

Dustin · September 21, 2014, 07:49:05 PM

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🂿 · September 21, 2014, 07:53:03 PM

Quote from: Nuka on September 21, 2014, 04:18:11 PM

Quote from: Decimator Omega on September 21, 2014, 04:10:45 PM
But if this poll is confusing Gender with someone's sex, I voted 2 for that.
It's not.

Well.... Shit. I can't change my vote.

Blazed Iron · September 21, 2014, 10:11:08 PM

Quote from: Lady Noelle on September 21, 2014, 02:01:01 PM

Quote from: PSU on September 21, 2014, 01:50:23 PM
What you mean?
You know exactly what I mean, but I guess I will waste my time explaining it anyway. There are two sexes, male and female, which are dependent upon what sexual organs you are born with. Gender, something that is entirely different than sex, is determined by what you identify as, and there are numerous genders, because gender is a spectrum.

The people here who try and make jokes about identifying as helicopters or bears are complete morons. You are trying to make a joke about something you do not understand and making yourself look like a fucking tool in the process. So like I said, there are too many idiots on this forum to have discussions like this. They either have no idea what gender means or try to joke about the subject and make it seem unimportant.

Is this part of your spectrum? All jokes aside, gender is more or less a self representation differentiating between male/female.

Mad Max · September 21, 2014, 11:00:17 PM

holy shit you guys.

Death · September 22, 2014, 12:44:40 AM

Only two. The others have to do with the special snowflake complex.

challengerX · September 22, 2014, 05:18:36 AM

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gats · September 22, 2014, 07:18:45 AM

I don't really care, identify as a frog if you want.

velox · September 22, 2014, 08:15:56 AM

I recognize infinite actual identities, one for each person, and however much labels that people need to communicate those identities to others. Sometimes the amount of labels can be a bit ridiculous though. I'm not opposed to people identifying outside the binary spectrum - but a handful of labels should be more than enough. If someone is more interested in hearing how you identify specifically, then explain in more detail.

Aether · September 22, 2014, 05:41:49 PM

2, 5, 1 billlion, it doesn't matter. Gender is just another concept us sentient beings measure ourselves with. Ultimately, it's meaningless. You just are the way you are.

Ftr for every-day purposes I consider myself to be male since I fit the definition.

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The Lord Ruler · September 22, 2014, 08:19:32 PM

1. I don't believe these "women" exist.

Mega Sceptile · September 22, 2014, 09:09:35 PM

I don't recognize any gender, only what sex you are, as all genders do is piss people off for one reason or another. differentiating between what gender(s) a person associates with is like trying to navigate a fucking minefield.

Jive Turkey · September 23, 2014, 05:52:01 PM

Pretty much only 2

KingWhovian · September 28, 2014, 03:38:03 PM

Super Irish · September 28, 2014, 04:24:17 PM

Two, but frankly I don't give a fuck what people decide to assign themselves so long as they are happy with it.

It doesn't concern me as I'm not them, and they shouldn't concern themselves with my stance on the subject because they are not me. Does that make sense?

Sky World · September 28, 2014, 09:27:27 PM

The whole trans/homo movement is anti-clinical, at best. Clearly there's something wrong going on (because it isn't natural nor healthy). Sure it's easier to tell someone that they're actually fine, but the right thing to do, the harder thing to do, is to get them to seek help.

Bright Wind Eternal Stars · September 29, 2014, 02:36:47 AM

I really do not care what gender you are and if you even fall on the spectrum. You can create your own gender of super red pony pointer and I would still not care. Largely we have a binary of sexes (male and female on opposite sides of the spectrum with transgender people existing on both ends even if the parts do not match up to their gender) and gender is a spectrum.

September 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM

Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:16:43 AM

ugh. okay.
I don't want to do this but I didn't get to post my response in the other thread.

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Noelle is a girl.
Say what you want, but this is objectively incorrect.
Never mind the fact that you're wrong, you have no proof anyway.
I don't feel like getting banned for "derailing" (translation: disagreeing with the TG "movement"), but I have plenty of proof. The most obvious being that Noel admits to being born a male. And whatever gender you're born as is what you always will be.
Sorry bud, but sex and gender are still different things.
Regardless. As I've proven before, there are people who are physically born outside the binary. Also, people who have had their legal documents changed are legally that gender no matter how much it rustles your jimmies.

"Disagreeing" with something is not an excuse to purposely dismiss someone's identity. You can not "agree" with homosexual relationships because you think they're "objectively wrong", but you still acknowledge their existence as a homosexual couple.

Not talking about birth defects here. And it doesn't "rustle my jimmies" (God, I hate myself just for typing out that phrase) at all. Just because the law recognizes something doesn't make it right.

If someone insisted on being identified as a teddy bear, would you treat them as such and enable that lifestyle? No, you would get them psychiatric help. Same thing with transgenderism. You're identifying as something you factually are not. And you can keep cramming this "sex and gender aren't synonyms" bullshit down my throat as much as you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. When your employer asks for your gender on a job application, he's not asking what kind of special snowflake you are. He's asking whether you have a penis or a vagina.

Cheat · September 30, 2014, 01:32:15 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM

Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
ugh. okay.
I don't want to do this but I didn't get to post my response in the other thread.

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Noelle is a girl.
Say what you want, but this is objectively incorrect.
Never mind the fact that you're wrong, you have no proof anyway.
I don't feel like getting banned for "derailing" (translation: disagreeing with the TG "movement"), but I have plenty of proof. The most obvious being that Noel admits to being born a male. And whatever gender you're born as is what you always will be.
Sorry bud, but sex and gender are still different things.
Regardless. As I've proven before, there are people who are physically born outside the binary. Also, people who have had their legal documents changed are legally that gender no matter how much it rustles your jimmies.

"Disagreeing" with something is not an excuse to purposely dismiss someone's identity. You can not "agree" with homosexual relationships because you think they're "objectively wrong", but you still acknowledge their existence as a homosexual couple.
Not talking about birth defects here. And it doesn't "rustle my jimmies" (God, I hate myself just for typing out that phrase) at all. Just because the law recognizes something doesn't make it right.

If someone insisted on being identified as a teddy bear, would you treat them as such and enable that lifestyle? No, you would get them psychiatric help. Same thing with transgenderism. You're identifying as something you factually are not. And you can keep cramming this "sex and gender aren't synonyms" bullshit down my throat as much as you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. When your employer asks for your gender on a job application, he's not asking what kind of special snowflake you are. He's asking whether you have a penis or a vagina.

Say there's someone who looks very much like a man, but they were born female and have a vagina. Say they took hormones, so they have a deeper voice and body hair.

Which restroom should this person use? Mens or Womens?

September 30, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

Quote from: Cheat on September 30, 2014, 01:32:15 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
ugh. okay.
I don't want to do this but I didn't get to post my response in the other thread.

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Noelle is a girl.
Say what you want, but this is objectively incorrect.
Never mind the fact that you're wrong, you have no proof anyway.
I don't feel like getting banned for "derailing" (translation: disagreeing with the TG "movement"), but I have plenty of proof. The most obvious being that Noel admits to being born a male. And whatever gender you're born as is what you always will be.
Sorry bud, but sex and gender are still different things.
Regardless. As I've proven before, there are people who are physically born outside the binary. Also, people who have had their legal documents changed are legally that gender no matter how much it rustles your jimmies.

"Disagreeing" with something is not an excuse to purposely dismiss someone's identity. You can not "agree" with homosexual relationships because you think they're "objectively wrong", but you still acknowledge their existence as a homosexual couple.
Not talking about birth defects here. And it doesn't "rustle my jimmies" (God, I hate myself just for typing out that phrase) at all. Just because the law recognizes something doesn't make it right.

If someone insisted on being identified as a teddy bear, would you treat them as such and enable that lifestyle? No, you would get them psychiatric help. Same thing with transgenderism. You're identifying as something you factually are not. And you can keep cramming this "sex and gender aren't synonyms" bullshit down my throat as much as you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. When your employer asks for your gender on a job application, he's not asking what kind of special snowflake you are. He's asking whether you have a penis or a vagina.
Say there's someone who looks very much like a man, but they were born female and have a vagina. Say they took hormones, so they have a deeper voice and body hair.

Which restroom should this person use? Mens or Womens?

Women's, because she's objectively a woman.

Cheat · September 30, 2014, 01:38:53 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:35:02 AM

Quote from: Cheat on September 30, 2014, 01:32:15 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
ugh. okay.
I don't want to do this but I didn't get to post my response in the other thread.

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Noelle is a girl.
Say what you want, but this is objectively incorrect.
Never mind the fact that you're wrong, you have no proof anyway.
I don't feel like getting banned for "derailing" (translation: disagreeing with the TG "movement"), but I have plenty of proof. The most obvious being that Noel admits to being born a male. And whatever gender you're born as is what you always will be.
Sorry bud, but sex and gender are still different things.
Regardless. As I've proven before, there are people who are physically born outside the binary. Also, people who have had their legal documents changed are legally that gender no matter how much it rustles your jimmies.

"Disagreeing" with something is not an excuse to purposely dismiss someone's identity. You can not "agree" with homosexual relationships because you think they're "objectively wrong", but you still acknowledge their existence as a homosexual couple.
Not talking about birth defects here. And it doesn't "rustle my jimmies" (God, I hate myself just for typing out that phrase) at all. Just because the law recognizes something doesn't make it right.

If someone insisted on being identified as a teddy bear, would you treat them as such and enable that lifestyle? No, you would get them psychiatric help. Same thing with transgenderism. You're identifying as something you factually are not. And you can keep cramming this "sex and gender aren't synonyms" bullshit down my throat as much as you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. When your employer asks for your gender on a job application, he's not asking what kind of special snowflake you are. He's asking whether you have a penis or a vagina.
Say there's someone who looks very much like a man, but they were born female and have a vagina. Say they took hormones, so they have a deeper voice and body hair.

Which restroom should this person use? Mens or Womens?
Women's, because she's objectively a woman.

And when the other restroom users shriek and shout about a man in the womens restroom? Why go through that exercise when the "hypothetical person" could just go in the mens room, take a piss/shit, and get out without drama?

September 30, 2014, 01:41:54 AM

Quote from: Cheat on September 30, 2014, 01:38:53 AM

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:35:02 AM
Quote from: Cheat on September 30, 2014, 01:32:15 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:28:34 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:16:43 AM
ugh. okay.
I don't want to do this but I didn't get to post my response in the other thread.

Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:09:38 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 01:07:16 AM
Quote from: SecondClass on September 30, 2014, 01:03:25 AM
Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 12:17:34 AM
Noelle is a girl.
Say what you want, but this is objectively incorrect.
Never mind the fact that you're wrong, you have no proof anyway.
I don't feel like getting banned for "derailing" (translation: disagreeing with the TG "movement"), but I have plenty of proof. The most obvious being that Noel admits to being born a male. And whatever gender you're born as is what you always will be.
Sorry bud, but sex and gender are still different things.
Regardless. As I've proven before, there are people who are physically born outside the binary. Also, people who have had their legal documents changed are legally that gender no matter how much it rustles your jimmies.

"Disagreeing" with something is not an excuse to purposely dismiss someone's identity. You can not "agree" with homosexual relationships because you think they're "objectively wrong", but you still acknowledge their existence as a homosexual couple.
Not talking about birth defects here. And it doesn't "rustle my jimmies" (God, I hate myself just for typing out that phrase) at all. Just because the law recognizes something doesn't make it right.

If someone insisted on being identified as a teddy bear, would you treat them as such and enable that lifestyle? No, you would get them psychiatric help. Same thing with transgenderism. You're identifying as something you factually are not. And you can keep cramming this "sex and gender aren't synonyms" bullshit down my throat as much as you'd like, but that doesn't make it true. When your employer asks for your gender on a job application, he's not asking what kind of special snowflake you are. He's asking whether you have a penis or a vagina.
Say there's someone who looks very much like a man, but they were born female and have a vagina. Say they took hormones, so they have a deeper voice and body hair.

Which restroom should this person use? Mens or Womens?
Women's, because she's objectively a woman.
And when the other restroom users shriek and shout about a man in the womens restroom? Why go through that exercise when the "hypothetical person" could just go in the mens room, take a piss/shit, and get out without drama?

Then that's the price she pays for being an idiot and taking hormones. Really, what did this hypothetical person expect? And it's not an exercise. It's a woman going to the women's bathroom. If you don't want the drama, don't bring that fate upon yourself. Just because you're a special snowflake who was "born the wrong gender" doesn't mean that you should get special treatment.

Auspicious Rose · September 30, 2014, 02:47:27 AM

Quote from: Nuka on September 30, 2014, 02:31:58 AM

...yeah, people like you really shouldn't be taken seriously.

So that's your counter-argument? Saying that anything he says shouldn't be taken seriously? Just wow.

Statefarm · September 30, 2014, 07:06:19 AM

Today I learned how to be politically correct when using gender and sex.

Poll

How many genders do you recognize?

How many genders do you recognize?