They do suffer.
http://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 02:34:08 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:32:18 AMhttp://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants"scientists are reluctant to go as far as to say they are responding to pain."lmao GET FUCKED"How plants sense and react is still somewhat unknown. They don't have nerve cells like humans, but they do have a system for sending electrical signals and even produce neurotransmitters, like dopamine, serotonin and other chemicals the human brain uses to send signals."We don't know why they have them, whether this was just conserved through evolution or if it performs some sort of information processing function. We don't know. There's a lot we don't know," Pollan says."
Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:32:18 AMhttp://www.pri.org/stories/2014-01-09/new-research-plant-intelligence-may-forever-change-how-you-think-about-plants"scientists are reluctant to go as far as to say they are responding to pain."lmao GET FUCKED
They don't suffer the way we do, but they do suffer. We just don't understand how or even why exactly.
Except it correlates with what I said exactly.
Quote from: Verbatim on May 21, 2016, 02:44:05 AMQuote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:38:38 AMExcept it correlates with what I said exactly. And no it doesn't. No reputable scientist agrees with your crackpot fuckhead snortcoke opinion.Some do, some don't. Most scientists are afraid to come out in support of something that will make them lose face academically until there's enough evidence for to become widely accepted.
Quote from: challengerX on May 21, 2016, 02:38:38 AMExcept it correlates with what I said exactly. And no it doesn't. No reputable scientist agrees with your crackpot fuckhead snortcoke opinion.
You can't say all suffering is bad and then in the same breath say plant suffering is irrelevant.
There's plenty of evidence
I think that it's pretty safe to assume that plants feel pain
Why are you still linking studies?
Do you have a reading comprehension problem?
There are plenty of studies going both ways, neither can disprove the other. The fact remains, however, that there is evidence proving plants suffer. I've already posted enough links, there's plenty more you can google, and plenty more can be Google with other scientists disagreeing. You'll find though that they just keep talking about the lack of a nervous system, they don't really say much else that can disregard the other evidence as pseudoscience.
The articles are all sourced to scientific studies done by scientists. That's really all there is to it.
You're on the wrong side of history with this one. This fad of vegetarianism and being vegan will vanish soon enough.
Is this the beginning of a new Challenger v. Verbatim in Serious era?
Quote from: Desty on May 21, 2016, 03:07:12 AMI think that it's pretty safe to assume that plants feel painNo. It isn't.http://tabish.freeshell.org/animals/plantpain.html
Quote Plants feel tissue injury and respond quickly, precisely, and with an effective battery of defenses. They don't feel *like us*, but it would be a mistake to say that they *don't feel*. But what has this got to do with supporting the only morally relevant claim worth considering, namely that "plants FEEL AND SUFFER from pain"? Where are the scientific references for this putative fact?
Plants feel tissue injury and respond quickly, precisely, and with an effective battery of defenses. They don't feel *like us*, but it would be a mistake to say that they *don't feel*.
Although the plant pain promoters are fond of reductios, they will not likely appreciate the following extension of their own. By their "logic", it would equally be the case that rain clouds behave purposefully in the sense that they could be said to functionally remove, by way of raining, excessive moisture that is causing their overstaturation.Furthermore, rain clouds bear meaningful information about their level of oversaturation in the form of weight relative to volume. Do not clouds, therefore, "sense" (in some tortured notion of the word) when atmospheric pressure is insufficient for their moisture content to remain in a vaporous state?
If they don't feel that they're under attack, how do they know that they are? If it's built in, then what's the difference between us and them aside from moments after we experience pain? If we feel a pain somewhere we will instinctively avoid what's causing it. Plants do the same, but they're not able to think, so the capacity to suffer isn't there for them
Holy shit this part is retarded
How do you guys feel about Slavoj Zizek
