Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:20:28 PMYou are also really good at instigating, Chally. I don't even mean that negatively, it's truly an amazing trait that if applied elsewhere, could really do things. In the practical world.why would you encourage him
You are also really good at instigating, Chally. I don't even mean that negatively, it's truly an amazing trait that if applied elsewhere, could really do things. In the practical world.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:28:19 PMEnd humanity, yes; genocide, no. This can all be cleared up as simply using a word other than genocide. Extinction, destruction, elimination, improbable, maybe even esoteric. This entire argument has been based on the choice of that one word.Humans that don't exist are nonexistent; if you aren't conceived, you don't exist.Promoting getting rid of humanity is a form of genocide. QuoteWasn't an insult, I was serious.Ok.
End humanity, yes; genocide, no. This can all be cleared up as simply using a word other than genocide. Extinction, destruction, elimination, improbable, maybe even esoteric. This entire argument has been based on the choice of that one word.Humans that don't exist are nonexistent; if you aren't conceived, you don't exist.
Wasn't an insult, I was serious.
Genocide involves killing. You can't kill what doesn't exist. Ergo, you commit genocide against the nonexistent. It doesn't mesh. "Verb promotes the extinction of the human race!" is 100% certifiable, but genocide isn't.
I think the problem lies in the interpretation of "genocide"; genocide is not a finality, it's a means to finality. Genocide leads to extinction, but extinction doesn't necessitate the act of genocide.
Not allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.
In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMIn practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.nope
Due to factors outside of the core philosophy, such as misinterpretation and the possibility of radicalized sects, it would have a possibility of genocide if applied practically.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.Exactly. And practicality is all that matters when discussing an ideology.
Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:45:32 PMDue to factors outside of the core philosophy, such as misinterpretation and the possibility of radicalized sects, it would have a possibility of genocide if applied practically.but not a "heavy" one, as you phrased itnot even a remote one
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:45:23 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.Exactly. And practicality is all that matters when discussing an ideology.You can believe that if you want, but it comes back to the fact that we aren't discussing how it come be practically implemented, we're talking about the philosophy of the ideology. They are two different subjects.They aren't, because it would lead to genocide. So we're left with the fact that anti natalism is genocidal.
Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:45:23 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.Exactly. And practicality is all that matters when discussing an ideology.You can believe that if you want, but it comes back to the fact that we aren't discussing how it come be practically implemented, we're talking about the philosophy of the ideology. They are two different subjects.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:51:29 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:49:32 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:45:23 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.Exactly. And practicality is all that matters when discussing an ideology.You can believe that if you want, but it comes back to the fact that we aren't discussing how it come be practically implemented, we're talking about the philosophy of the ideology. They are two different subjects.They aren't, because it would lead to genocide. So we're left with the fact that anti natalism is genocidal.Let's completely throw away proper word usage for the sake of this shit ending:Theoretical anti-natalism isn't genocidal, practical anti-natalism could be. We good?No, because it would lead to genocide so it's inherently genocidal.
Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:49:32 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:47:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:45:23 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 05:43:13 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 05:39:58 PMNot allowing procreation is genocide. You're killing off humanity. Especially since it would be forced.Promoting prevention of conception is not the same thing as disallowing.Let me phrase it as such, and hopefully we can agree on it:As a concept (a thought experiment, and nothing more) anti-natalism isn't genocidal.In practice, there is a heavy possibility of it leading to genocide.Exactly. And practicality is all that matters when discussing an ideology.You can believe that if you want, but it comes back to the fact that we aren't discussing how it come be practically implemented, we're talking about the philosophy of the ideology. They are two different subjects.They aren't, because it would lead to genocide. So we're left with the fact that anti natalism is genocidal.Let's completely throw away proper word usage for the sake of this shit ending:Theoretical anti-natalism isn't genocidal, practical anti-natalism could be. We good?
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