But my point is one could argue the faster humanity is destroyed the less net suffering there would be.
Right, that was my point.
or a godless Christian.
If the philosophy would result in forced non-reproduction (which it would), then it's genocide. There's just no two ways about it. It doesn't matter if in theory such and such is not supposed to happen, what matters is what would happen.
what matters is what would happen.
voluntary celibacy
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 04:28:28 PMvoluntary celibacyCareful. We've been over this--there's nothing about celibacy in anti-natalism.
This is really simple. You guys just refuse to accept that in practice, it'd be genocide.
It is. Because if they kill in the name of Quakerism, Quakerism drove them to do it. Otherwise, they wouldn't have done it.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 04:35:07 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 04:32:04 PMThis is really simple. You guys just refuse to accept that in practice, it'd be genocide.And you refuse to understand that we aren't talking about practicality.Yes or no: is VOLUNTARY extinction genocide? No "in practice", because that's irrelevant. We aren't talking about probability, or "how it would actually work out". It's an incredibly simple question. If every single human were to agree to not procreate, would it be genocide?Practicality is all that matters. Otherwise we might as well talk about flying pigs.
Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 04:32:04 PMThis is really simple. You guys just refuse to accept that in practice, it'd be genocide.And you refuse to understand that we aren't talking about practicality.Yes or no: is VOLUNTARY extinction genocide? No "in practice", because that's irrelevant. We aren't talking about probability, or "how it would actually work out". It's an incredibly simple question. If every single human were to agree to not procreate, would it be genocide?
Practicality is all that matters.
And the violent religious nutjobs seen to forget the part where they're not supposed to kill.
Yup. He doesn't exist, and neither does omnipotence, so it's a waste of time.
Anti natalism would be genocide in practice.
wasting your time
Quote from: Prime Meridia on February 04, 2015, 04:57:18 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 04:53:25 PMwasting your timeConsidering new ideas and discussing philosophical quandaries may be a waste of time for you, but considering that a good deal of Serious deals with those things, it would appear that you're a minority in that belief. I'm not intending to be condescending in saying this, but if you don't want to discuss philosophy, then don't. You're just wasting yours and every other person's time by doing that.I never said I don't discuss philosophy. I said I'm not going to sit here and answer loaded questions and allow you guys to jerk each other off because in theory nobody would be violent. In theory humanity could stop all wars and fighting and get rid of poverty, but we won't. I live in the real world.
Quote from: challengerX on February 04, 2015, 04:53:25 PMwasting your timeConsidering new ideas and discussing philosophical quandaries may be a waste of time for you, but considering that a good deal of Serious deals with those things, it would appear that you're a minority in that belief. I'm not intending to be condescending in saying this, but if you don't want to discuss philosophy, then don't. You're just wasting yours and every other person's time by doing that.
You are also really good at instigating, Chally. I don't even mean that negatively, it's truly an amazing trait that if applied elsewhere, could really do things. In the practical world.