Say all humans stop reproducing completely. Now fast forward 50 years.Do you see the problem?
Unless your goal is to eventually end all of human existence, then you should be able to see why it's fucking stupid.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AMhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-naturehttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacy
https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature
Nah, I can do as I please.
Anyways, how about you stop derailing your own topic and actually provide some good arguments for me?
We learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflict
Tell me first why whales should go extinct. Birds. Lions. Insects.Go ahead and tell me what ending the existence of a species will accomplish.
Life is what you make of it.
What's so horrible about suffering? As I said in my first post, through suffering comes wisdom, enlightenment, and growth.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 08:41:08 AMWe learn and grow from pain and suffering, struggle and conflictYou're missing the entire point. Verb isn't saying that suffering can NEVER have some sort of utility, he's saying it needn't operate in a position of utility or disutility at all.
Answer my question please.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.
This is not a healthy state of mind
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:19:41 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:17:33 AMhttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-naturehttps://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/the-fallacy-fallacyFallacy fallacy fallacy.He's treating nature as if its a god that must be obeyed. Nature is not a god that must be obeyed. If nature had its way, there would no one like me to oppose it. You moron.You post that every single time I point out that someone is making a fallacious argument. I'm going to start reporting you now.
Wisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.
Quote from: ⱭAS ᗺ00T x2 on February 03, 2015, 09:47:00 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.My "kind"Well if we're going to play that game, then they simply weren't strong enough to overcome and make something of their life from their pain. That's not to say I don't have sympathy. I could tell you all about how I've hit rock bottom more times than I can even count anymore.But I'll quote it again:“Our greatest glory is not in never falling, but in rising every time we fall”Wisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:44:20 AMQuote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 09:43:38 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:42:26 AMAnswer my question please.I DID.Meta actually understands what the fuck I'm saying, and he summed up my position quite well.No, you didn't.What's so horrible about suffering if it can be overcome?Well, you see, statistically speaking... a lot of your kind can't even overcome it.
You are completely nonsensical and should probably visit a shrink.
What sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?
Quote from: Kupo on February 03, 2015, 09:52:46 AMWhat sense does it make for a species to force its own extinction because it cannot fulfill a logically impossible moral requirement?Perfect sense. I don't know what's so troubling about it, to be honest. You're going to have to tell me.
Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 03, 2015, 09:54:58 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AMWisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.Why do you keep restating something nobody even remotely disagrees with?Because there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:52:52 AMWisdom and enlightenment comes from pain and suffering. I've grown from my struggles, and I'm glad I didn't give into the dark depths of my mind. I dealt with suicidal depression for about half of my lifespan.Why do you keep restating something nobody even remotely disagrees with?
Life isn't supposed to be fair.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 03, 2015, 10:00:45 AMQuote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.What's the point of nonexistence?
Quote from: Nuka 'Kal Vargun on February 03, 2015, 09:56:17 AMBecause there's nothing inherently wrong with suffering, which seems to be the entire reason for wanting to eliminate it.For the fifth time, it's NOT.There's nothing inherently wrong with suffering--that doesn't mean it HAS to happen. That doesn't mean it HAS to exist. Invariably, it is BETTER if there is NO suffering.
Life isn't supposed to be fair. Whether it's fair or not doesn't matter.
If they were to suffer more and overcome, then they'd be a stronger and more wise person than I.