Then just raise the employee contribution for their health insurance...

I'm sure they're saving a ton of money by drug testing all their employees for nicotine now.

LOL

I don't really have an opinion, but fuck smokers. I can't really feel too sympathetic.

It's not just the patients either, you see the bloody nurses stood among them smoking away.

At least here in Florida, any employees who smoked prior to the new policy are required to leave the hospital grounds (as in, on the street past the parking lot) to smoke, and they're not given breaks (so it's on their lunch time).

>"Wow, you have a plethora of qualifications and experience for a profession in medicine, you're the perfect candidate for the job"
>"Oh what's that, you smoke? Lol, bye."

Yeah I can see this totally working out.

Honestly, I'd really like to think that a good healthcare worker/doctor is just that. The fitting image of health. It quietly implies that said person actually really cares about their job and their work and doesn't just treat it like a job, but applies their work into their own life.

It was like my old highschool coach. He used to bitch at us in phys-ed to "run harder" when he was a borderline landwhale and didn't do fuck all with us when we exercised. It's a little bit ridiculous actually. There's people who work in cancer wards and stuff like that, who on coffee break, go out and have a smoke.

There's a cancer ward filled with cancer patients. Some of whom have lung cancer or throat holes, likely because they spent most of their lives smoking.

GEE, LET'S GO SMOKE AND FORGET THAT ONE DAY WE MIGHT END UP IN THE SAME WARD.

Smoking is a personal choice, and if they aren't smoking around patients I don't see the problem.

"you can't do that because it's bad for you"


and most snokers, being decent regular people, don't spew smoke into other peoples faces like some kind of asshole dragon.

"you can't do that because it's bad for you"


and most snokers, being decent regular people, don't spew smoke into other peoples faces like some kind of asshole dragon.

And that somehow illegitimatizes all of my points?

Oh, okay then. I guess because they're decent folks they should just keep on rolling. By all means. Wasting all that money to off themselves slowly, clogging up the healthcare system by taking time and money out of it to fix themselves up when they dug their own fucking grave and refuse to lie in it.

And another thing.

You don't have to blow smoke in people's face because it does that on its own. Every guy in the construction and labor force I've ever met smokes. I learned right quick about a magical quality to smoke. It lingers. You ever walk into a bathroom in highschool and find the entire room clouded in smoke?

But, no I hear you.

They're decent god fearing folk. I guess they shouldn't stop smoking even if it's bad for them. What the hell, right? They're good people, after all. I'll just pray for them instead when they get cancer because god loves good people.

Come on. Get real. It's 2015. Just about 2016. They're free to choose, naturally.

Doesn't negate the facts though. Smokers waste their own money, kill themselves slowly, feed a shitty corporation, clog up the medical industry by draining time and money, and they poison others around them. And for what?

A smoker has every single thing to gain by quitting. And a regular person has everything to keep by never even starting.

Are you really trying to contest this?

All hospitals (certainly in the UK, not entirely sure about the US) have a no smoking policy and a fair few have implemented designated smoking areas that nullify the damage of second hand smoke.

So no, the "it can damage patients" argument doesn't hold up to scrutiny. The only argument in favour of this that holds a semblance of credibility is that it drives insurance prices up, but if we're using that parameter to discriminate employees on then we may as well do it for obesity too, which takes more of a financial toll on the health industry than smoking does.

24 states have banned any and all indoor smoking. Only 10 states have no state-wide bans and the rest are somewhere in between (allowed only in bars, casinos, small workplaces, etc...)
Many places will copy the guidelines for federal buildings in that you needs to be so far away from entryways or intake ducts to smoke.

what's next, ban trans fats?

not to my knowledge.

Quote from: thepanzieman on December 07, 2015, 01:48:23 PM

what's next, ban trans fats?

Didn't we already partially do that?

Only New York.

The trade off of having enough doctors to treat life threatening injuries kinda trumps having to endure the pain of absorbing 10 seconds of second hand smoke on your way in, imo.

Quote from: thepanzieman on December 07, 2015, 12:02:34 PM

Smoking is a personal choice, and if they aren't smoking around patients I don't see the problem.

4. Second hand smoke is a thing. Nevermind gleefully paying to kill yourself but you're also damaging passerby without giving a shit.

http://jnci.oxfordjournals.org/content/early/2013/12/05/jnci.djt365.full

http://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2013/12/12/study-finds-no-link-between-secondhand-smoke-and-cancer/

http://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/secondhand-smoke-charade

just dropping this off. not making any claims one way or the other but i felt obligated to provide sources to the contrary.