But they are freaks. It's abnormal
Abnormal? Yes, but not wrong.
Quote from: Casper on March 22, 2017, 09:00:52 PMBut they are freaks. It's abnormalQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 09:12:51 PMAbnormal? Yes, but not wrong.
Quote from: Verbatim on March 22, 2017, 09:14:45 PMQuote from: Casper on March 22, 2017, 09:00:52 PMBut they are freaks. It's abnormalQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 09:12:51 PMAbnormal? Yes, but not wrong.Did I say it was wrong? You do you, but that doesn't change that it's not normal
Quote from: Casper on March 22, 2017, 09:17:49 PMQuote from: Verbatim on March 22, 2017, 09:14:45 PMQuote from: Casper on March 22, 2017, 09:00:52 PMBut they are freaks. It's abnormalQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 09:12:51 PMAbnormal? Yes, but not wrong.Did I say it was wrong? You do you, but that doesn't change that it's not normalNo, you did not say it's wrong - but let's not act like using words such as freak and abnormal connote any sense of endorsement of approval.
>trying to normalize a mental illness
Quote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?
Quote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?It serves to further degrade our society.
Quote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 10:19:23 PMQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?It serves to further degrade our society.And does that "degradation" impact you? Prevents you from succeeding? Hinders your ability in some way?
Quote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:21:12 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 10:19:23 PMQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?It serves to further degrade our society.And does that "degradation" impact you? Prevents you from succeeding? Hinders your ability in some way?Does it have to for me to care about a certain issue? No.
Quote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?Imagine you have some gender-fluid pilot flying you. Then while flying over the Atlantic, he gender-fluids into whale gender and thinks he needs to go into the water. There is a reason why mental wards exist. If someone is mental and a danger to society, we lock them up. If they are just mental, we don't let them work in safety-critical industries.Look at their suicide rates? Would you let this obviously 'not-everyones-at-home' person babysit your child or be your doctor?=)
Quote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?Imagine you have some gender-fluid pilot flying you. Then while flying over the Atlantic, he gender-fluids into whale gender and thinks he needs to go into the water.
Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 23, 2017, 09:39:08 AMQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?Imagine you have some gender-fluid pilot flying you. Then while flying over the Atlantic, he gender-fluids into whale gender and thinks he needs to go into the water. "i literally have no fucking clue how 'gender-fluidity' is supposed to work"i mean gender fluidity is no more than a social construct, but that doesn't excuse this level of ignorance
Quote from: Verbatim on March 23, 2017, 11:45:37 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on March 23, 2017, 09:39:08 AMQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?Imagine you have some gender-fluid pilot flying you. Then while flying over the Atlantic, he gender-fluids into whale gender and thinks he needs to go into the water. "i literally have no fucking clue how 'gender-fluidity' is supposed to work"i mean gender fluidity is no more than a social construct, but that doesn't excuse this level of ignoranceah, this is Serious and not Flood. Shucks...Still though, are there cases of gender-fluidity outside of USA or English speaking countries?
Quote from: FatherlyNick on March 23, 2017, 11:52:46 AMQuote from: Verbatim on March 23, 2017, 11:45:37 AMQuote from: FatherlyNick on March 23, 2017, 09:39:08 AMQuote from: Alternative Facts on March 22, 2017, 10:18:28 PMQuote from: Alpha on March 22, 2017, 09:56:12 PM>trying to normalize a mental illnessDoes doing so impact you?Imagine you have some gender-fluid pilot flying you. Then while flying over the Atlantic, he gender-fluids into whale gender and thinks he needs to go into the water. "i literally have no fucking clue how 'gender-fluidity' is supposed to work"i mean gender fluidity is no more than a social construct, but that doesn't excuse this level of ignoranceah, this is Serious and not Flood. Shucks...Still though, are there cases of gender-fluidity outside of USA or English speaking countries?nonbinary genders like gender fluidity have existed in cultures on every continent (except maybe europe?) for thousands of years
sapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbh
Quote from: Naru on March 21, 2017, 02:43:54 PMsapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbhIf a child suffers from severe depression that is not mitigated by conventional means and you willfully refuse the desires of both your child and the advice of medical professionals, I will conclude you are negligent of your child's well being.When a parent's intuition takes precedent over professional's, you're in league with anti-vaxxers.
Quote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 12:57:44 AMQuote from: Naru on March 21, 2017, 02:43:54 PMsapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbhIf a child suffers from severe depression that is not mitigated by conventional means and you willfully refuse the desires of both your child and the advice of medical professionals, I will conclude you are negligent of your child's well being.When a parent's intuition takes precedent over professional's, you're in league with anti-vaxxers.I know it sounds funny and tin foil, but proffessionals seem to be less of that these days. Their track record of fuck ups seems piss poor to be honest. While they're a proffessional for a reason, that doesn't make them the bedrock of authority, being right, or, eerily enough, intelligent.
Quote from: Sαndtrap on March 24, 2017, 01:43:46 AMQuote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 12:57:44 AMQuote from: Naru on March 21, 2017, 02:43:54 PMsapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbhIf a child suffers from severe depression that is not mitigated by conventional means and you willfully refuse the desires of both your child and the advice of medical professionals, I will conclude you are negligent of your child's well being.When a parent's intuition takes precedent over professional's, you're in league with anti-vaxxers.I know it sounds funny and tin foil, but proffessionals seem to be less of that these days. Their track record of fuck ups seems piss poor to be honest. While they're a proffessional for a reason, that doesn't make them the bedrock of authority, being right, or, eerily enough, intelligent.They are the most qualified to assess the risks, if you are skeptical of their abilities you should be more skeptical of Cletus's abilities. Doing nothing can be fatal.
Quote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 01:49:58 AMQuote from: Sαndtrap on March 24, 2017, 01:43:46 AMQuote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 12:57:44 AMQuote from: Naru on March 21, 2017, 02:43:54 PMsapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbhIf a child suffers from severe depression that is not mitigated by conventional means and you willfully refuse the desires of both your child and the advice of medical professionals, I will conclude you are negligent of your child's well being.When a parent's intuition takes precedent over professional's, you're in league with anti-vaxxers.I know it sounds funny and tin foil, but proffessionals seem to be less of that these days. Their track record of fuck ups seems piss poor to be honest. While they're a proffessional for a reason, that doesn't make them the bedrock of authority, being right, or, eerily enough, intelligent.They are the most qualified to assess the risks, if you are skeptical of their abilities you should be more skeptical of Cletus's abilities. Doing nothing can be fatal.Taking a proffessional's word at face value in the past has cost members of my family, and no doubt other people out there. You don't need to look far in history to find slews of proffessionals who made shit calls or made things worse. With people, no matter who they are, you've got to take things with a grain of salt and do your own work. See if their logic is sound and where holes are. If you don't, you're setting yourself up.
Quote from: Sαndtrap on March 24, 2017, 01:57:50 AMQuote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 01:49:58 AMQuote from: Sαndtrap on March 24, 2017, 01:43:46 AMQuote from: eggsalad on March 24, 2017, 12:57:44 AMQuote from: Naru on March 21, 2017, 02:43:54 PMsapphire is ok with having a child be trans at a young age and think its child abuse to not let them do that. it cant be worse tbhIf a child suffers from severe depression that is not mitigated by conventional means and you willfully refuse the desires of both your child and the advice of medical professionals, I will conclude you are negligent of your child's well being.When a parent's intuition takes precedent over professional's, you're in league with anti-vaxxers.I know it sounds funny and tin foil, but proffessionals seem to be less of that these days. Their track record of fuck ups seems piss poor to be honest. While they're a proffessional for a reason, that doesn't make them the bedrock of authority, being right, or, eerily enough, intelligent.They are the most qualified to assess the risks, if you are skeptical of their abilities you should be more skeptical of Cletus's abilities. Doing nothing can be fatal.Taking a proffessional's word at face value in the past has cost members of my family, and no doubt other people out there. You don't need to look far in history to find slews of proffessionals who made shit calls or made things worse. With people, no matter who they are, you've got to take things with a grain of salt and do your own work. See if their logic is sound and where holes are. If you don't, you're setting yourself up. If HRT doesn't produce results, it can be discontinued before any notable effects occur. The risks of major complications happening due to HRT are miniscule, especially when only inhibitors are used.If someone experiences severe depressive symptoms. They are already at risk. These depressive symptoms can persist through other treatments. They did for me.If I was fillibustered by my parents, I would have died without HRT. Others might not be as lucky as I was.