Hillary Clinton's private emails may be recoverable: Washington PostThe company that managed Hillary Clinton's private email server said it has "no knowledge of the server being wiped," indicating that tens of thousands of emails Clinton said were deleted could be recovered, the Washington Post reported on Saturday.Clinton, the front-runner for the Democratic presidential nomination, and her aides have said she deleted her personal emails from her time as secretary of state, but unless the server has been "wiped" experts say those 31,000 emails could be recovered, the Post reported.A representative of the Clinton campaign could not immediately be reached for comment on the report.The controversy over her use of an unsecured private server to conduct government business while America's top diplomat has cut into her lead in opinion polls for the Democratic nomination to run in the November 2016 election.Denver-based company Platte River managed the server. "Platte River has no knowledge of the server being wiped," company spokesman Andy Boian was quoted as saying by the Washington Post. "All the information we have is that the server wasn't wiped."Republican Senators Charles Grassley and Ron Johnson, chairmen of the Judiciary and Homeland Security committees, respectively, said they would push for the deleted emails to be reviewed if they can be recovered, the Post said. On Tuesday, Clinton apologized for using a private server rather than the government system.Clinton has said she sent no information via email that was classified at the time and received no material marked that way. The Federal Bureau of Investigation is examining the server to see whether any information, including classified information, was mishandled.The State Department, under a court order, has been releasing more than 30,000 Clinton work-related emails in monthly batches. (Reporting by Eric Beech; Editing by Grant McCool)
Biden could get the nomination so easily.
i've never followed this e-mail scandal because i'm not voting for hillary anywayif someone could give me a quick run-down, that would be cool
Now I'm no fan of Hillary, but it still confuses me as to why people are making a big deal out of her doing it when every Secretary of State that's proceeded her in the modern era has done the same thing.
Quote from: LC on September 12, 2015, 10:21:15 PMNow I'm no fan of Hillary, but it still confuses me as to why people are making a big deal out of her doing it when every Secretary of State that's proceeded her in the modern era has done the same thing.Really? TBH I can't say I know about other Secretaries of State. A quick Google search brought up Colin Powell doing the same.At least from what I know about computers, having a team of security specialists securing a network is much safer than having like, a small handful of people manage it (and probably only that one particular employee using the network). Most people, government officials included, usually aren't as informed or as diligent with computers as comp-sci majors, anyway.But with Clinton at least, even if there wasn't classified information, she ran afoul of government transparency regulations. Her private server means that a lot of those emails probably weren't archived. While it will ultimately not cause much legal trouble for her, it's at least a distraction for essentially betraying the public's trust. And she's handled the situation horrifically poorly.That's how I understand it, anyway.
Quote from: Kupo on September 12, 2015, 10:57:17 PMQuote from: LC on September 12, 2015, 10:21:15 PMNow I'm no fan of Hillary, but it still confuses me as to why people are making a big deal out of her doing it when every Secretary of State that's proceeded her in the modern era has done the same thing.Really? TBH I can't say I know about other Secretaries of State. A quick Google search brought up Colin Powell doing the same.At least from what I know about computers, having a team of security specialists securing a network is much safer than having like, a small handful of people manage it (and probably only that one particular employee using the network). Most people, government officials included, usually aren't as informed or as diligent with computers as comp-sci majors, anyway.But with Clinton at least, even if there wasn't classified information, she ran afoul of government transparency regulations. Her private server means that a lot of those emails probably weren't archived. While it will ultimately not cause much legal trouble for her, it's at least a distraction for essentially betraying the public's trust. And she's handled the situation horrifically poorly.That's how I understand it, anyway.It's been a pretty common thing for a long while now. It's just nobody gave a shit until Hillary ran because the Republicans knew they'd be able to manufacture a fake crisis out of it like they did with the debt ceiling. They thought they'd kill Obama with the debt ceiling and they think they can kill Hillary with the private server. I'm kind of hoping they do kill her bid for presidency, but if they were going to start crying foul over private email servers they should have done so decades ago and refused to use them during their administrations as well.
Quote from: Fuddy-duddy on September 12, 2015, 09:52:39 PMi've never followed this e-mail scandal because i'm not voting for hillary anywayif someone could give me a quick run-down, that would be coolApparently sent e-mails that could have confidential government info to third parties.
Yes she shouldn't have done that but why is it such a big deal?
Quote from: BerzerkCommando on September 13, 2015, 12:48:21 PMYes she shouldn't have done that but why is it such a big deal?When you work for the U.S. Government you shouldn't be sending confidential information over yahoo.
It also needs to be stated that, according to other Government agencies outside of the state department, some of the information sent through the emails was not deemed classified at the time that it was sent - it's classification as such came later in her tenure, or even after the fact.
QuoteIt also needs to be stated that, according to other Government agencies outside of the state department, some of the information sent through the emails was not deemed classified at the time that it was sent - it's classification as such came later in her tenure, or even after the fact.
How are they not recoverable. Pnce sent online they can be recovered, even your hard disk has remains of info that you deleted.
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 13, 2015, 01:29:10 PMQuoteIt also needs to be stated that, according to other Government agencies outside of the state department, some of the information sent through the emails was not deemed classified at the time that it was sent - it's classification as such came later in her tenure, or even after the fact.This really excuses nothing; if anything, it highlights why it's important to follow security protocols. If any other servicemember had done something similar (classified material via personal accounts or unauthorized means) they'd be in prison. And another huge concern is that she's been meticulously grooming her appearance and reputation for a presidential bid; deleting a swath of emails after a large controversy largely centered around her lies to the public was a strategic move to avoid further embarrassment.
The only problem is that if they weren't classified at the time, she technically didn't do anything wrong with them. Here in the US, I can't think of any legal cases where someone was retroactively punished for violating a future rule.Not that I'm disagreeing with you, though.
Quote from: Kupo on September 13, 2015, 03:55:41 PMThe only problem is that if they weren't classified at the time, she technically didn't do anything wrong with them. Here in the US, I can't think of any legal cases where someone was retroactively punished for violating a future rule.Not that I'm disagreeing with you, though.I'm thinking anything she sends via official channels is at least considered privileged, which is an actual form of classification but is not under the 'classified' umbrella.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 04:04:47 PMQuote from: Kupo on September 13, 2015, 03:55:41 PMThe only problem is that if they weren't classified at the time, she technically didn't do anything wrong with them. Here in the US, I can't think of any legal cases where someone was retroactively punished for violating a future rule.Not that I'm disagreeing with you, though.I'm thinking anything she sends via official channels is at least considered privileged, which is an actual form of classification but is not under the 'classified' umbrella.That comes down to political jargon and what you want to consider any email sent by government officials.
However, the fact is that people spouting out "She sent out classified info, send her to jail!" is just screaming rhetoric and has no idea about the entire process involving how our government works with classified material.
I really don't think anyone's calling for jail time,
The problem is that the Secretary of State is accountable to the public, and by using a private server she denied the public their right to a transparent government; she controlled what information she would or wouldn't release to the public when ordered to do so, ostensibly to avoid tarnishing her record while running for president.
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 04:12:29 PMI really don't think anyone's calling for jail time,HereGot 20k HereAnd anotherMore
According to Clinton and the State Department, the latter has ever email that was turned over and are working to release them. And apparently, the emails that were 'wiped' can potentially still be retrieved.
Yes, Clinton should not have used a private server. The bigger problem that this shows, aside from that, is the continued problem the government has regarding technology and the job they do with it. The fact that we continue to use email to share confidential information, despite continued worries over cyber attacks, is beyond stupid - and runs the risk of emails that are important never showing up (See: Powell)
Quote from: Fagcicle on September 13, 2015, 04:21:33 PMQuote from: HurtfulTurkey on September 13, 2015, 04:12:29 PMI really don't think anyone's calling for jail time,HereGot 20k HereAnd anotherMoreOh. I kind of meant people that matter, like respected politicians or other secretaries. Right-wing nutjob sites aside, I suppose.QuoteAccording to Clinton and the State Department, the latter has ever email that was turned over and are working to release them. And apparently, the emails that were 'wiped' can potentially still be retrieved. Well if she deleted a bunch of emails, then the state department certainly doesn't have all of them, do they?
QuoteYes, Clinton should not have used a private server. The bigger problem that this shows, aside from that, is the continued problem the government has regarding technology and the job they do with it. The fact that we continue to use email to share confidential information, despite continued worries over cyber attacks, is beyond stupid - and runs the risk of emails that are important never showing up (See: Powell)I agree. The way we deal with classified information is archaic, but the increasing threat of cyber attacks really just reinforces the need for either more robust systems or low-tech alternatives.