Hillary's emails reveal: Bush committed treason

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 11:26:59 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3277402/Smoking-gun-emails-reveal-Blair-s-deal-blood-George-Bush-Iraq-war-forged-YEAR-invasion-started.html

He was working with Tony Blair a full year before the invasion planning everything out.

Sometimes you should be careful on what you ask for.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 11:27:18 AM

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MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 11:29:11 AM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 11:27:18 AM

this is news?

True, everyone kinda knew it. But this is the first incontrovertible bit of evidence.

terrorbite · October 20, 2015, 11:30:08 AM

i wonder what will come of it

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 11:33:40 AM

Quote from: terrorbite on October 20, 2015, 11:30:08 AM

i wonder what will come of it

Probably nothing. The divided nature of our country means that while 30% will call for a trial, 30% will yell it's all lies, and 40% will be wondering out loud who should win Celebrity Cook Off: New Jersey Wives Edition

big sponge · October 20, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

So umm

Do we have a more reliable source than the daily mail?

Turkey · October 20, 2015, 11:40:27 AM

I'm not sure how this equates to treason. The invasion of Iraq was a long time coming, with years of planning. Of course Bush was working with our closest ally, and of course they publicly pushed for a diplomatic solution.

PSU · October 20, 2015, 11:42:55 AM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 11:40:27 AM

I'm not sure how this equates to treason. The invasion of Iraq was a long time coming, with years of planning. Of course Bush was working with our closest ally, and of course they publicly pusged for a diplomatic solution.

This ^

Thun · October 20, 2015, 11:44:30 AM

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 11:57:07 AM

Quote from: LC on October 20, 2015, 11:35:37 AM

So umm

Do we have a more reliable source than the daily mail?

Google it

DAS B00T x2 · October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM

You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM

You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

DAS B00T x2 · October 20, 2015, 12:26:38 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

And is being proactive illegal now?

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 12:27:17 PM

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🍁 Aria 🔮 · October 20, 2015, 12:27:31 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Planning != Committing

You're supposed to have a plan before you do something. Preparedness is expected.

Turkey · October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM

Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

Alternative Facts · October 20, 2015, 12:28:47 PM

Even I have to agree that this really isn't a big issue.

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM

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MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 12:36:53 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.
Making alliances isn't part of planning? This is news to me.

While, yes, alliances are a part of planning, they are beyond what he had authority to do. They show he was committing the USA to an aggressive war well before he had the authority to do so. It's where it goes from drawing up the plans on paper to where war is an inevitability

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 12:38:49 PM

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Mordo · October 20, 2015, 12:42:57 PM

The Iraq War was pretty much inevitable though, regardless of Bush's presidency and Blair's tenure as PM.

Turkey · October 20, 2015, 12:44:37 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:36:53 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.
Making alliances isn't part of planning? This is news to me.

While, yes, alliances are a part of planning, they are beyond what he had authority to do. They show he was committing the USA to an aggressive war well before he had the authority to do so. It's where it goes from drawing up the plans on paper to where war is an inevitability

Shit Charlie, it's just a one page letter mentioning that the UK would support the U.S. if we went to war. You're blowing this way out of proportion.

Nick McIntyre · October 20, 2015, 12:45:30 PM

I was expecting something interesting.

But so what, even if I'd like to see Bush in prison stripes, this isn't illegal.

Ajax · October 20, 2015, 12:47:24 PM

Damn Obamer, Pretending tuh be bush! HE'S THE ANTICHRIST!!!!! THE ANTTTTTIIIICHRIST

MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 12:47:52 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:38:49 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.
Making alliances isn't part of planning? This is news to me.

While, yes, alliances are a part of planning, they are beyond what he had authority to do. They show he was committing the USA to an aggressive war well before he had the authority to do so. It's where it goes from drawing up the plans on paper to where war is an inevitability
Show me where making alliances is outside the authority of the president.

By your reasoning every wartime president would be guilty of treason.

The ones who waged war without the approval and declaration of war from congress should be. Anyone who yells "Shall Not Be Infringed" should be outraged because the absolutist view of the constitution should feel the same about the rest of the document. Bush planned and started to prepare for war without approval

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 12:48:53 PM

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MyNameIsCharlie · October 20, 2015, 12:55:06 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:48:53 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.
Making alliances isn't part of planning? This is news to me.

While, yes, alliances are a part of planning, they are beyond what he had authority to do. They show he was committing the USA to an aggressive war well before he had the authority to do so. It's where it goes from drawing up the plans on paper to where war is an inevitability
Show me where making alliances is outside the authority of the president.

By your reasoning every wartime president would be guilty of treason.
Bush planned and started to prepare for war without approval
Once again this isn't illegal.

Except when it is

Nick McIntyre · October 20, 2015, 12:57:02 PM

Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:55:06 PM

Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:48:53 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:47:52 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:38:49 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:36:53 PM
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 20, 2015, 12:34:01 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:32:33 PM
Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on October 20, 2015, 12:27:59 PM
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 20, 2015, 12:24:42 PM
Quote from: DAS r00d d00d B00T on October 20, 2015, 12:21:18 PM
You mean they planned a 2003 invasion in 2002? Oh the horror. This is unbelievable. We can't stand for this! BUSH MUST HANG!

It means he was planning on waging an aggressive war before he had approval to do so.

Would you expect the president to ask for a declaration of war without having a plan to carry out that war?

This whole thing is nonsense.

He wasn't just making the plans, though. He was forming alliances when he was still making his case to congress.
Making alliances isn't part of planning? This is news to me.

While, yes, alliances are a part of planning, they are beyond what he had authority to do. They show he was committing the USA to an aggressive war well before he had the authority to do so. It's where it goes from drawing up the plans on paper to where war is an inevitability
Show me where making alliances is outside the authority of the president.

By your reasoning every wartime president would be guilty of treason.
Bush planned and started to prepare for war without approval
Once again this isn't illegal.

Except when it is

Show where it says planning for a war is illegal.

cxfhvxgkcf-56:7 · October 20, 2015, 12:57:40 PM

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