I don't see why they couldn't have done that in the fucking first place.

Oh an locate Israel in the south of Texas so the bastards can get swamped with illegal Mexicans to lower property value, that will drive the greedy fucks mad!

I believe at the time they were given a choice: Uganda/African country or some areas of Palestine. What I really don't get is why they even suggested Uganda. Even if they chose there (leaving Palestine alone, although I suppose it would be like Lebanon or Egypt by now), Africa has a large muslim population and would probably have the same outcome but in Africa instead.


Plus back then, everyone had the feeling of "we should help these jewish refugees" whilst also thinking "they're not going in my fecking country", so I guess it makes sense why they just dumped them on a colonised land at the time, didn't ask the natives and let them sort their own problems...which they did. Badly.

Well, we did send away a boat of Jewish refugees just before the war... I don't think America really like them back them, and since the UK had control over the area that is Palestine because of the Mandate, they pretty much thought "Oh, hey, well lets just insert a Jewish state here so these guys don't just flood our nation as political refugees." I also imagine that a lot of the German Jews didn't fancy the idea of returning to the nation that just killed about 250k of them.

History lesson inbound, since some folks could use it.

Problem is, one day after the Mandate ends and the Jewish State is declared as an independent nation, soldiers from many Arab League nations as well as Palestinian irregulars attacked Israel. This conflict is called the 1948 Palestinian war, the result of which lead to massive land gains and population increases (as many Jews were banished from Arab nations during/after the war) for the Jewish nation, the Egyptian occupation of the Gaza Strip, West Bank being controlled by Jordan, and a very tenuous peace agreement that left the area about as stable as a powder keg in an oven. Throughout the 50's, the Fedayeen continued to attack and harass Israeli people and territory in an ongoing guerrilla war while residing in Egypt controlled Gaza. Israel fought back with French and British support after Egypt closed the Suez and drove them back past the Sinai peninsula, but returned the land as part of a UN lead agreement that guaranteed Israeli shipping rights through the canal and in the red sea. Then in the 60's, Russia decided to fuck things up and tell Israel's neighbors that the Jews were gathering massive armies near their borders. Egypt decided to not fact check this, and mobilized a large army east of Sinai. This alarmed Israel greatly, who launched a preemptive strike, driving into the Sinai as Jordan and Syria attack from the North and the armies of Iraq come to aid their Muslim brothers.  We all know how the 6 day war ended, Israel took the Sinai peninsula and the Golan Heights as it's own while occupying West Bank and Gaza, which lead to even more tension and minor fighting until 1973, when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel during both Yom Kippur and Ramadan. That war ended up with the Muslim invaders, once again, driven out of Jewish lands.

Tl:dr, Bongland inserted a jewish state where the Ottoman empire used to be, Arabs got mad, tried to kill the jews, were beaten back every time, and now cry  about Israeli aggression when they constantly provoke the state.

Well, we did send away a boat of Jewish refugees just before the war... I don't think America really like them back them, and since the UK had control over the area that is Palestine because of the Mandate, they pretty much thought "Oh, hey, well lets just insert a Jewish state here so these guys don't just flood our nation as political refugees." I also imagine that a lot of the German Jews didn't fancy the idea of returning to the nation that just killed about 250k of them.

History lesson inbound, since some folks could use it.

Problem is, one day after the Mandate ends and the Jewish State is declared as an independent nation, soldiers from many Arab League nations as well as Palestinian irregulars attacked Israel. This conflict is called the 1948 Palestinian war, the result of which lead to massive land gains and population increases (as many Jews were banished from Arab nations during/after the war) for the Jewish nation, the Egyptian occupation of the Gaza Strip, West Bank being controlled by Jordan, and a very tenuous peace agreement that left the area about as stable as a powder keg in an oven. Throughout the 50's, the Fedayeen continued to attack and harass Israeli people and territory in an ongoing guerrilla war while residing in Egypt controlled Gaza. Israel fought back with French and British support after Egypt closed the Suez and drove them back past the Sinai peninsula, but returned the land as part of a UN lead agreement that guaranteed Israeli shipping rights through the canal and in the red sea. Then in the 60's, Russia decided to fuck things up and tell Israel's neighbors that the Jews were gathering massive armies near their borders. Egypt decided to not fact check this, and mobilized a large army east of Sinai. This alarmed Israel greatly, who launched a preemptive strike, driving into the Sinai as Jordan and Syria attack from the North and the armies of Iraq come to aid their Muslim brothers.  We all know how the 6 day war ended, Israel took the Sinai peninsula and the Golan Heights as it's own while occupying West Bank and Gaza, which lead to even more tension and minor fighting until 1973, when Egypt and Syria attacked Israel during both Yom Kippur and Ramadan. That war ended up with the Muslim invaders, once again, driven out of Jewish lands.

Tl:dr, Bongland inserted a jewish state where the Ottoman empire used to be, Arabs got mad, tried to kill the jews, were beaten back every time, and now cry  about Israeli aggression when they constantly provoke the state.

Now it's evident that peace between Israel and Palestine is impossible and a waste of time and live by keeping Israel in it's current location. Common sense is to move it somewhere else where it's neighbors will be more tolerant of it

No. I am obviously if a much higher intellectual capacity.

You people cannot grasp or even acknowledge what has occurred there and are only choosing to see the actions of one side and ignore the atrocities of the other, claiming that such war crimes are justifiable and acceptable whilst condemning the other side for doing less.


That makes YOU the idiot. And not only an idiot but a sympathiser and supporter of war criminals and terrorists.

Nothing justifies/excuses directed terrorist attacks in the form of suicide bombings, drive by shootings and rocket attacks against school children, public buses and bus depots, market places, weddings, etc... Yet here you are doing exactly that. All of which was conducted by Palestine.

Hypocrisy and extremism at its finest amongst you children.

I don't get why they didn't just let them A) return to their homes in Europe or B) give them a little patch of land in America, the Americas literally worship the Jews and it would have kept the middle east calm and not lead to a genocide of a people who have never harmed anyone, the Palestinians never even had an army for fucks sake.

They invaded after multiple terrorist attacks against them, after Hamas refused to resign peace treaty, after issuing multiple warnings.

They did not simply walk in unannounced and without reason.

This is why the UN and the rest of the world will do nothing. Because one country cannot attack another as you put it without repercussions.


In summary what you are saying is after 9/11 the US had no justification to declare war on terrorism/Afghanistan? That the US government and citizens were just meant to sit there and accept that they had just been attacked and do nothing?

Look into the history of terrorist attacks against Israel and Israeli people, even to the more recent days. The suicide bombings, the shootings, the Munich Massacre. Justify those actions. Explain to me how Palestinian militants are allowed to act in such a way and not face repercussions/retaliation. You can't. I know you will try. You and a handful of others here will try to find some excuse for it all, to make it sound like Israel and the innocent Israeli civilians, yes civilians NOT military personnel, deserved it. They had it coming.

And in doing so you will be excusing terrorism. Saying it is ok. Saying that one person's life is worth more than another. That one persons freedoms are worth more than another's.
Yes Palestinians are oppressed. But does that excuse their actions? No. The UN says no. The world says no. But you say yes. Because you believe terrorism and targeted attacks against innocent civilians is fair and just. Yet you condemn Israel for the death is civilians.


Hypocrisy. Ignorance. Two words off the top of my head that describes your chain of thought.


Terrorism is the use of terror as a weapon. To strike fear in the masses. Targeting militants, weapon depots, weapon sites, supply lines, ordinance, etc is not a form of terrorism. That is military action. Denying the enemy, those who are trying to kill you, who are attacking you, weapons, supplies, ammunition, etc denying them the ability to fight.

It is not Israel's fault that Palestinian militants hide amongst the civilian population when they attack. They are left with only 2 options. Do nothing and be attacked day in day out with destruction to their country and death to their countrymen, or fight back to stop the attacks.

Every country in the history of mankind who was attacked by an outside force has always fought back. And here you are saying Israel is not and should not be allowed, however Palestine can.


You are a walking definition of a contradiction.

I think that may be Madagascar you're thinking of. Hitler's original plan was to move all of the Jews in Europe to Madagascar, but then the war happened and that became impractical. Hence the Final Solution.

No, no, no... this was after the events of WWII. Though you are correct, Hitler did have some idea of sending Jews to Madagascar (even sent an ambassador to scope the place out), but later after invading Poland it was impossible, so then he decided to send them all (Polish Jews included) to Lublin/Nisko as a super-scaled up version of the ghettos. But then in late 1941 he just gave up trying to keep them alive*, and decided to kill them along with the disabled, eastern Europeans and gypsys.


*_{This is the Structuralist viewpoint of the events leading to the Holocaust, that he didn't intend to kill them, just migrate them somewhere else. Various historians argue that Hitler planned it from the start which is the Intentionalist viewpoint, but factually that is what happened before the Final Solution.}

Um, why the fuck did they pick Uganda then? That's a horrible location. It's densely populated (along with having a large population), small, and it's pretty much an island of (relative) stability in a sea of chaotic countries.

I like you, you know your shit.