There is nothing wrong with any given person not being interested in any given field; I don't think most women's lack of interest in maths is bad per se, though It really limits how many people I can share it with.

It's just that maths is a field of study made by men to answer questions asked by them; any woman with access to the people/books/education institutes could join in, but most don't, and this trend goes back at least to ancient Greece. And when I think about it, it's not the maths itself that's masculine, but the applications of it - just studying algebra for the sake of it has nothing to do with humans of any kind, but solving an engineering problem is definitely masculine, and for that you need algebra.

I agree and have nothing against the contributions of the women who do choose to contribute, but I am concerned that their contributions may come at a cost to them having their own families.

You're not coming off as a cunt.

And I thought I stated my point, men's business clothes carry a level of respect with them due to the qualifications required to wear one, and I forgot to mention but also the financial implications of being able to afford one. Casual clothes of men and women carry no such connotations, so when someone wears the casual clothes of the opposite sex it isn't for respect; the only reason I can think of is that it's for sexual reasons.

I don't like anal, I do not understand the appeal at all; a tube full of shit is just as disgusting to me regardless of who or what it is attached to; going further and sticking your dick in it, especially when if it's a women then there is a perfectly good vagina right there, makes no sense to me. I can handle perverted things but not anal.

I don't see anything wrong with women being effeminate, that's how they evolved to be and it's how i find myself attracted to them. Likewise I do have a problem with men being effeminate because that isn't how they evolved to be and as a result it leaves me deeply confused about them - the only times when I would ever act like that, or any of my friends would act like that, is as a joke.

I'm finding this quite helpful typing out these ideas to someone like you, I don't get this kind of confrontation of my opinions from anyone I know and I'm getting the feeling that I wouldn't have as much of a problem with you LGBT if all discussions on it were better informed.

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You guys remember when that femtard website got hacked and on the front page there was an image of our lord and savoir?

Kaname Madoka?

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There is nothing wrong with any given person not being interested in any given field; I don't think most women's lack of interest in maths is bad per se, though It really limits how many people I can share it with.

It's just that maths is a field of study made by men to answer questions asked by them; any woman with access to the people/books/education institutes could join in, but most don't, and this trend goes back at least to ancient Greece. And when I think about it, it's not the maths itself that's masculine, but the applications of it - just studying algebra for the sake of it has nothing to do with humans of any kind, but solving an engineering problem is definitely masculine, and for that you need algebra.

But there's nothing inherently masculine about math, nor does math have any sort of reason, biologically, to develop in men and not women. It's not as though higher levels of testosterone make a person great in math.

The point you're making is cyclical, in a sense. Yes, men have historically devoted more time to the maths than women, but women have also been treated as weaker and less intelligent throughout most of history by the cultures which made bounds and leaps in mathematics.

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I agree and have nothing against the contributions of the women who do choose to contribute, but I am concerned that their contributions may come at a cost to them having their own families.

Women are biological caretakers, but that means next to nothing in the present day. Men are entirely as capable as women are of taking care of children and raising a family - unless you count breastfeeding as the absolute end-all-be-all to raising a kid.

Added onto that, we're no longer at a point in history where continued reproduction is vital to the success of our families, communities, or race. We've got problems with OVERpopulation. It hardly matters if a man or women doesn't want to have children in this day and age.

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You're not coming off as a cunt.

And I thought I stated my point, men's business clothes carry a level of respect with them due to the qualifications required to wear one, and I forgot to mention but also the financial implications of being able to afford one. Casual clothes of men and women carry no such connotations, so when someone wears the casual clothes of the opposite sex it isn't for respect; the only reason I can think of is that it's for sexual reasons.

As Egg pointed out, the level of female clothing worn by a man is not looked at any differently. You're arguing this point based on class whilst I'm doing it based on the gendered nature of the clothes themselves - a women can wear anything from boxer briefs and a loose men's t-shirt and nobody bats an eye, but if a man were to wear a highly professional blouse and pencil skirt or a flowing gown, it'd be looked at as strange or an abomination.

And you really can't think of any other reasons that a person might wear certain clothes? Maybe, I dunno, he thinks he looks good in them?

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I don't like anal, I do not understand the appeal at all; a tube full of shit is just as disgusting to me regardless of who or what it is attached to; going further and sticking your dick in it, especially when if it's a women then there is a perfectly good vagina right there, makes no sense to me. I can handle perverted things but not anal.

Uh...okay? That still has nothing to do with the hatred of gay men - unless you dislike gay people purely because you don't find what they do to be attractive, in which case that proves the point that I was trying to make on said issue and...kinda makes you shitty.

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I don't see anything wrong with women being effeminate, that's how they evolved to be and it's how i find myself attracted to them. Likewise I do have a problem with men being effeminate because that isn't how they evolved to be and as a result it leaves me deeply confused about them - the only times when I would ever act like that, or any of my friends would act like that, is as a joke.

Neither men nor women "evolved" like that, western standards of society have simply become the norm across the world and that's what become the norm across the world. The concept of gender and sex is (rightfully) held to much more variable and fluid standards by hundreds of cultures across the world - it's just that those have died out and/or become much smaller and less influential with the westernization of the world in the last few hundred years.

Societal standards can evolve, but there's no "biological" reason for masculine and feminine traits being assigned so rigidly. Pink was considered a masculine color until 60 or so years ago, after all.

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I'm finding this quite helpful typing out these ideas to someone like you, I don't get this kind of confrontation of my opinions from anyone I know and I'm getting the feeling that I wouldn't have as much of a problem with you LGBT if all discussions on it were better informed.

Once again, I appreciate your willingness to learn on the subjects and am happy to discuss things with you, but you...might wanna find better ways to phrase that. It's coming off as the whole, "wow you sure are well spoken for a black guy" thing.