https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/05/us/church-shooting-texas.html

What a shame. Such a big shooting so soon after Vegas.

>Texas
>church

Just Trump supporters. Good riddance.

Not very nice dude...

Kind of odd how quickly we found out the shooters name and presumably motivation, but we still know next to nothing about Vegas "officially"

How did he manage to shoot so many before getting return fire, in Texas?

Texas isn't actually that gun friendly, it's a common misconception. Besides, I feel like many people would frown upon wearing your gun to church in any state.

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Except the last few mass shootings were by non-criminals

Quote from: Genghis Khan on November 06, 2017, 11:44:55 AM

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Pedophiles don't care about laws, they can rape a child illegally easily.
Hackers don't care about laws, they can hack a company or government easily.
Theifs don't care about laws, they can steal from someone easily.

Shall I go on?

Quote from: maverick on November 06, 2017, 05:32:24 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 06, 2017, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: Genghis Khan on November 06, 2017, 11:44:55 AM

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Is there point to making anything illegal though? Cuz criminals will always kill, rape children, sell people, torture people, steal etc etc etc...

Make everything legal cuz criminals will do it anyway?

There are responsible ways to own firearms, not as many for raping children.

And why don't we ensure that people seeking a firearm be taught those responsible ownership practices?

Regular psych evals and you have to have a justification for purchasing a firearm.
Thorough background checks must be done too. No ID = no sale and failure to verify anything is an automatic fail.
Make ammunition purchases very strict. Like you cannot get more than 15 rounds per year? Would you really need more for self defence?

Pedophiles don't care about laws, they can rape a child illegally easily.
Hackers don't care about laws, they can hack a company or government easily.
Theifs don't care about laws, they can steal from someone easily.

Shall I go on?

These analogies don't work very well. Molestation, hacking, thievery are all actions. In a gun crime, the action is shooting an individual, which is already illegal outside of defense, and even still as a defensive measure at times.

From what I've seen the essence of the argument for gun control focuses on the object used to commit the crime, the gun, and not necessarily the action taken with the gun to commit a crime.

With the hacking analogy, a better one would be to say, "We need more regulations on computers because we have a problem with hacking."

However, even that analogy doesn't hold water all too well because computers are not as immediately threatening/dangerous as a gun is.

this was literally an attack on Christians aaaaaaa

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 07, 2017, 09:46:18 AM

Quote from: Poetic Carnage on November 07, 2017, 08:04:04 AM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 07, 2017, 05:35:38 AM

Quote from: Alternative Facts on November 06, 2017, 08:24:17 PM

Quote from: Genghis Khan on November 06, 2017, 11:44:55 AM

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Pedophiles don't care about laws, they can rape a child illegally easily.
Hackers don't care about laws, they can hack a company or government easily.
Theifs don't care about laws, they can steal from someone easily.

Shall I go on?

Quote from: maverick on November 06, 2017, 05:32:24 PM

Quote from: FatherlyNick on November 06, 2017, 01:26:52 PM

Quote from: Genghis Khan on November 06, 2017, 11:44:55 AM

Criminals don't care about gun laws, they can acquire a weapon illegally easily.

Is there point to making anything illegal though? Cuz criminals will always kill, rape children, sell people, torture people, steal etc etc etc...

Make everything legal cuz criminals will do it anyway?

There are responsible ways to own firearms, not as many for raping children.

And why don't we ensure that people seeking a firearm be taught those responsible ownership practices?

Regular psych evals and you have to have a justification for purchasing a firearm.
Thorough background checks must be done too. No ID = no sale and failure to verify anything is an automatic fail.
Make ammunition purchases very strict. Like you cannot get more than 15 rounds per year? Would you really need more for self defence?

Only if you plan on actually hitting anything. Firing a gun isn't as easy as it is in videogames, it takes practice.

I mean, is it self defence if your target is over 50m away? Unless they are also playing the self-defence card cuz you had a gun out.

I'd be surprised if an inexperienced gun owner in a tense situation could land shots inside ten yards, especially when being charged. If you've never handled a firearm it's not going to do you any favors.

So no need for guns for normal citizens?

>criminals don't follow laws anyways!
>it's not guns it's mental health!
>ban guns? Yeah because that worked so well for drugs LOL!
>stop politicizing tragedies! (says guy who tweeted about Muslim bans the minute it became clear the NYC driver was a foreigner)
>there's nothing we could do anyways! (says guy who mocks people using Facebook filters to show support and gloats every time an attack happens in Europe because "PC liberals are too stupid and afraid of racism to kick out brown people")
>stop blaming the tool, it's the person!
>how about TRUCK CONTROL after NYC huh??
>gun control doesn't work, just look at Chicago!
>don't go after guns, go after the root of the problem!

It's legit exhausting seeing all this stupid shit every single time there's one of these shootings. Fuck the people who parrot these paper thin "arguments". Such a shame.

For the record, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro banned guns.

Quote from: Flee on November 08, 2017, 07:10:56 AM

>criminals don't follow laws anyways!
>it's not guns it's mental health!
>ban guns? Yeah because that worked so well for drugs LOL!
>stop politicizing tragedies! (says guy who tweeted about Muslim bans the minute it became clear the NYC driver was a foreigner)
>there's nothing we could do anyways! (says guy who mocks people using Facebook filters to show support and gloats every time an attack happens in Europe because "PC liberals are too stupid and afraid of racism to kick out brown people")
>stop blaming the tool, it's the person!
>how about TRUCK CONTROL after NYC huh??
>gun control doesn't work, just look at Chicago!
>don't go after guns, go after the root of the problem!

It's legit exhausting seeing all this stupid shit every single time there's one of these shootings. Fuck the people who parrot these paper thin "arguments". Such a shame.

For the record, Hitler, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, Fidel Castro banned guns.

Hitler repealed Weimar era gun bans.