Then let the terrorists kill all of Europe if they find themselves strong and mighty with weapons.
BreitbartQuotePolice armed with pistols in heavily gun-controlled European countries are realizing a hard lesson fast–jihadists with no respect for the law are side-stepping gun control and stockpiling weapons that will give them the upper hand in confrontations with officers.Europol chief of staff Brian Donald says there were two “large seizures” of firearms–particularly “assault weapons”–over the last two weeks and more seizures are expected as investigations and tracking continues.According to TIME magazine, this is indicative of the reality European police face. Regardless of the gun control laws passed/implemented, jihadists are able to arm themselves just as those who attacked the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo’s headquarters on January 7 were armed.Cherif and Said Kouachi “were armed with Kalashnikov rifles and could easily outgun the police officers who tried to apprehend them with pistols,” not to mention the police officers who weren’t armed. The third attacker, Amedy Coulibaly, “had an even greater collection of military grade weapons.”The terrorists also had grenade launchers and Scorpion machine guns. AFP reports that Coulibaly had purchased most of the weapons from an unnamed arms trafficker in Belgium.On January 7 Bloomberg.com reported the that Charlie Hebdo attack exposed the black markets for firearms that now exist in Europe–particularly France–and undercut gun control.In other words, gun control appears to have created a false sense of security for the European people and their police forces as well. The reality is that guns remain available in black markets, albeit especially for those who have criminal or terrorist intent.TIME reports that gun traffickers are thriving to such a degree that a training assignment for some new European officers has been to go out an buy a Kalashnikov from a black market dealer, just to see how easy it is. To date, doing so has only taken a couple of hours.This is what Donald Trump warned about when he reacted to the Charlie Hebdo attack by saying, “When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.”
Police armed with pistols in heavily gun-controlled European countries are realizing a hard lesson fast–jihadists with no respect for the law are side-stepping gun control and stockpiling weapons that will give them the upper hand in confrontations with officers.Europol chief of staff Brian Donald says there were two “large seizures” of firearms–particularly “assault weapons”–over the last two weeks and more seizures are expected as investigations and tracking continues.According to TIME magazine, this is indicative of the reality European police face. Regardless of the gun control laws passed/implemented, jihadists are able to arm themselves just as those who attacked the satirical magazine Charlie Hebdo’s headquarters on January 7 were armed.Cherif and Said Kouachi “were armed with Kalashnikov rifles and could easily outgun the police officers who tried to apprehend them with pistols,” not to mention the police officers who weren’t armed. The third attacker, Amedy Coulibaly, “had an even greater collection of military grade weapons.”The terrorists also had grenade launchers and Scorpion machine guns. AFP reports that Coulibaly had purchased most of the weapons from an unnamed arms trafficker in Belgium.On January 7 Bloomberg.com reported the that Charlie Hebdo attack exposed the black markets for firearms that now exist in Europe–particularly France–and undercut gun control.In other words, gun control appears to have created a false sense of security for the European people and their police forces as well. The reality is that guns remain available in black markets, albeit especially for those who have criminal or terrorist intent.TIME reports that gun traffickers are thriving to such a degree that a training assignment for some new European officers has been to go out an buy a Kalashnikov from a black market dealer, just to see how easy it is. To date, doing so has only taken a couple of hours.This is what Donald Trump warned about when he reacted to the Charlie Hebdo attack by saying, “When guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.”
Quote from: Kupo on January 31, 2015, 06:14:08 PMNow, I'm a decently pro-gun control advocate. I don't mind gun ownership in and of itself. I've heard that police in Europe don't carry guns which, quite frankly, does sound a bit... well, I don't really know how an officer of the law is supposed to carry out their duty without a gun.YouTubeSomething a bit like this^Notice how everyone walks away from that alive <_<Instead of just screaming YEEHAW and riddling the guy with bullets.
Now, I'm a decently pro-gun control advocate. I don't mind gun ownership in and of itself. I've heard that police in Europe don't carry guns which, quite frankly, does sound a bit... well, I don't really know how an officer of the law is supposed to carry out their duty without a gun.
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on January 31, 2015, 06:19:50 PMQuote from: Kupo on January 31, 2015, 06:14:08 PMNow, I'm a decently pro-gun control advocate. I don't mind gun ownership in and of itself. I've heard that police in Europe don't carry guns which, quite frankly, does sound a bit... well, I don't really know how an officer of the law is supposed to carry out their duty without a gun.YouTubeSomething a bit like this^Notice how everyone walks away from that alive <_<Instead of just screaming YEEHAW and riddling the guy with bullets.Wow. How many Officers does it take to take one guy down with a big blade? About a dozen and a half.. lol.. Does they even have tasers? Meanwhile in America.. single Officer responds to similar situation.. guy either drops it, is tasered and cuffed or is gunned down after being warned MORE than once.. Situation defused in less than 45 seconds and used far less police resources.
European police don't have tasers? Wat
Quote from: Mr Psychologist on February 09, 2015, 01:13:11 PMQuote from: Statefarm on February 09, 2015, 01:06:03 PMEuropean police don't have tasers? WatI can't speak for the continentals but for britbongs Tasers are special issue rather than standard equipment <.<It's mostly just a helmet and a baton, with body armour and the like. And I rarely see the sticks get used, like ever.What the unholy fuck?I get not giving them guns. It's retarded but I understand the reasoning behind it.There's literally no reason not to give them tasers.
Quote from: Statefarm on February 09, 2015, 01:06:03 PMEuropean police don't have tasers? WatI can't speak for the continentals but for britbongs Tasers are special issue rather than standard equipment <.<It's mostly just a helmet and a baton, with body armour and the like. And I rarely see the sticks get used, like ever.
I don't know why you think repealing gun control would mean criminals would have less guns. If anything they'd have better access.
Quote from: Sprungli on February 10, 2015, 06:55:14 PMTo say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the policeReally? Because the way I remember it is the cops got gunned down in the street. QuoteThere's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunnedDo you have any idea how long it takes for the military to mobilize for that sort of thing?
To say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the police
There's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunned
as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe
Quote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PM as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe my fucking god, it's almost like the police don't have any guns or some shit! who would've thought that a place with no guns wouldn't have many gun deaths!do you even read what you''re typing?
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 11, 2015, 04:14:07 PMQuote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PM as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe my fucking god, it's almost like the police don't have any guns or some shit! who would've thought that a place with no guns wouldn't have many gun deaths!do you even read what you''re typing?That'd be the UK. Police have guns in almost every European country. And there are barely any shootings.
Fact of the matter is they were outgunned. If the police can't protect us, what's the fucking point of them?Quote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 05:47:55 AMQuote from: Sprungli on February 10, 2015, 06:55:14 PMTo say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the policeReally? Because the way I remember it is the cops got gunned down in the street. QuoteThere's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunnedDo you have any idea how long it takes for the military to mobilize for that sort of thing?Right, at this point in time we are talking about Europe remember. An armed response unit is never more than a half hour away, and neither are the military. Yes, 2 police officers died. One was taken by total surprise, and the other was killed whilst defenceless on the ground. Neither due to being beaten on firepower. Neither would have been prevented by actively arming police officers in civilian areas with zero reason other than to 'be safe'. This would obviously be counter-productive, as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe in comparison to the Martial Oligarchy of America
Quote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 05:47:55 AMQuote from: Sprungli on February 10, 2015, 06:55:14 PMTo say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the policeReally? Because the way I remember it is the cops got gunned down in the street. QuoteThere's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunnedDo you have any idea how long it takes for the military to mobilize for that sort of thing?Right, at this point in time we are talking about Europe remember. An armed response unit is never more than a half hour away, and neither are the military. Yes, 2 police officers died. One was taken by total surprise, and the other was killed whilst defenceless on the ground. Neither due to being beaten on firepower. Neither would have been prevented by actively arming police officers in civilian areas with zero reason other than to 'be safe'. This would obviously be counter-productive, as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe in comparison to the Martial Oligarchy of America
Quote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 04:36:54 PMQuote from: Mega Sceptile on February 11, 2015, 04:14:07 PMQuote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PM as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe my fucking god, it's almost like the police don't have any guns or some shit! who would've thought that a place with no guns wouldn't have many gun deaths!do you even read what you''re typing?That'd be the UK. Police have guns in almost every European country. And there are barely any shootings. well, no guns isn't the word, it's more ' next to no', and that's my point, the police aren't nearly as armed as those in the US so of course the gun crime is extremely low... you also don't have as many cops who are joining just for the power that a police position has. I believe that cop shootings are less of an arming problem, and more about informing the cops and civilians who own guns on gun safety and control, I mean look at the swiss, they make every teen learn how to fire a rifle and some basic gun control, and they have the lowes gun crime rate of all countries in the world.
Quote from: Mega Sceptile on February 11, 2015, 04:44:46 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 04:36:54 PMQuote from: Mega Sceptile on February 11, 2015, 04:14:07 PMQuote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PM as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe my fucking god, it's almost like the police don't have any guns or some shit! who would've thought that a place with no guns wouldn't have many gun deaths!do you even read what you''re typing?That'd be the UK. Police have guns in almost every European country. And there are barely any shootings. well, no guns isn't the word, it's more ' next to no', and that's my point, the police aren't nearly as armed as those in the US so of course the gun crime is extremely low... you also don't have as many cops who are joining just for the power that a police position has. I believe that cop shootings are less of an arming problem, and more about informing the cops and civilians who own guns on gun safety and control, I mean look at the swiss, they make every teen learn how to fire a rifle and some basic gun control, and they have the lowes gun crime rate of all countries in the world.Almost every cop I've seen has a pistol on them in almost every European country. The difference is the Swiss don't have the culture of violence America or even Britain has.
Quote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 04:45:55 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 04:38:43 PMFact of the matter is they were outgunned. If the police can't protect us, what's the fucking point of them?Quote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 05:47:55 AMQuote from: Sprungli on February 10, 2015, 06:55:14 PMTo say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the policeReally? Because the way I remember it is the cops got gunned down in the street. QuoteThere's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunnedDo you have any idea how long it takes for the military to mobilize for that sort of thing?Right, at this point in time we are talking about Europe remember. An armed response unit is never more than a half hour away, and neither are the military. Yes, 2 police officers died. One was taken by total surprise, and the other was killed whilst defenceless on the ground. Neither due to being beaten on firepower. Neither would have been prevented by actively arming police officers in civilian areas with zero reason other than to 'be safe'. This would obviously be counter-productive, as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe in comparison to the Martial Oligarchy of AmericaExcept they can, and they weren't outgunned. They were out-smarted and out-manoeuvred, they didn't know what was coming. But that's down to a total lack of communication between the French, British and American intelligence agencies. If they'd been doing their jobs then it could've all been avoidedIntelligence agencies are supposed to know when and where every terrorist is going to attack?Come on bro.
Quote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 04:38:43 PMFact of the matter is they were outgunned. If the police can't protect us, what's the fucking point of them?Quote from: Sprungli on February 11, 2015, 03:00:07 PMQuote from: challengerX on February 11, 2015, 05:47:55 AMQuote from: Sprungli on February 10, 2015, 06:55:14 PMTo say that European law enforcement is being outgunned is a joke, remind me, when it came to the Charlie Hebdo incident who was better armed?Oh yeah, the policeReally? Because the way I remember it is the cops got gunned down in the street. QuoteThere's also the fact that the military can be called on, and they are certainly not being outgunnedDo you have any idea how long it takes for the military to mobilize for that sort of thing?Right, at this point in time we are talking about Europe remember. An armed response unit is never more than a half hour away, and neither are the military. Yes, 2 police officers died. One was taken by total surprise, and the other was killed whilst defenceless on the ground. Neither due to being beaten on firepower. Neither would have been prevented by actively arming police officers in civilian areas with zero reason other than to 'be safe'. This would obviously be counter-productive, as evidenced by the distinct lack of police shootings here in Europe in comparison to the Martial Oligarchy of AmericaExcept they can, and they weren't outgunned. They were out-smarted and out-manoeuvred, they didn't know what was coming. But that's down to a total lack of communication between the French, British and American intelligence agencies. If they'd been doing their jobs then it could've all been avoided
Gun control laws in Europe failing; police outgunned by Jihadists
