Make one from a shovel.

Best fucking thread ever. Tempted to just get a parts kit and do it

http://www.northeastshooters.com/vbulletin/threads/179192-DIY-Shovel-AK-photo-tsunami-warning!

bruh, $479 aint expensive for a semi-auto sporting rifle
https://www.wideners.com/itemdetail.cfm?item_id=100000171&dir=700%7c701%7c1028

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Quote from: Kinder on November 02, 2014, 09:50:24 PM

>mfw most cheap sks is oriental shit
>mfw wasr 10 cheap and best ak coming from romance country

but /k/ told me wasr a shit

LOL

What year are they still in? Fucking 2007? WASRs are fucking fantastic now since Century has stepped up their quality control

I mean if it's going to be a century, I might rather get a VZ. They're definitely more aesthetically pleasing than the standard AK. And lighter IIRC

Good luck finding magazines for them. They not only use different magazines than ak-pattern, but the whole internals are completely different. It's so much different that the only "ak" thing about them is thir look

Oh I'm aware of that. But if I remember right the Century one comes with like five or six mags when you buy it. I do like that the bolt locks back.

That depends on where you get it. At least with WASRs, some sellers don't include all the accessories with it so same may be with the VZs.

I see no real benefit of a bolt hold open, but there are AK magazines out there that have have such feature. Only see it as a way to have a second on if you have any more ammo left or not, which is no big deal to waste a few seconds

My main concern is really reliability though, followed by availability of ammo. AK reliability doesn't really need mentioning, though idk if that applies to a budget one. I dunno how the VZ platform or the SKS hold up in comparison, and those are the main ones I'm considering. I do not like the feel of AR15s at all.

If you want reliability than an AK-pattern is where you can go best. But the SKS is equally as reliable as all Russian, Slav, and Oriental weapon systems were designed specifically for peasants living in any and all terrain possible. They were designed specifically for durability and reliability, the only thing that Commies oddly delivered on

ARs, while a good platform, require a lot of attention and maintence

And 7.62x39 is VERY much available, but watch out for price gougers. Wal-mart always sells a box of 20 for around $5, the lowest price you can really get. Compare that to like $10 a box for .223

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Quote from: DAS FÜHRER x2 on November 02, 2014, 09:49:35 PM

Over the course of a year now, every few months or so, buy the pieces to assemble an AR-15 chambered in 9mm.

it's like the perfect storm of shitty gun

It's a better idea than a .45 AR... and I know a guy who made one of those.

......wat

Just get a fucking Hi-Point Carbine or a damn Kriss Vector

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Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 02, 2014, 10:02:54 PM

My main concern is really reliability though, followed by availability of ammo. AK reliability doesn't really need mentioning, though idk if that applies to a budget one. I dunno how the VZ platform or the SKS hold up in comparison, and those are the main ones I'm considering. I do not like the feel of AR15s at all.

If you want reliability than an AK-pattern is where you can go best. But the SKS is equally as reliable as all Russian, Slav, and Oriental weapon systems were designed specifically for peasants living in any and all terrain possible. They were designed specifically for durability and reliability, the only thing that Commies oddly delivered on

Funny thing about the Soviets. They had an incredible military-industrial complex, the west didn't catch up until pretty late in the game. Unfortunately, their weak socialized economy couldn't support that level of military spending.

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ARs, while a good platform, require a lot of attention and maintence

My main reason for staying away from that for a first gun. I want something that is hard to fuck up.

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And 7.62x39 is VERY much available, but watch out for price gougers. Wal-mart always sells a box of 20 for around $5, the lowest price you can really get. Compare that to like $10 a box for .223

How does steel 7.62 compare to brass in terms of shelf life and cost?

Funny thing, I only shoot x39 and x54r. Pretty obvious x54r has great shelf life since all of it is like from the 70s but not sure the shelf life of x39 seeing as I just shoot it all and don't keep much. Do have around 700 rounds of .22lr though

Quote from: Kinder on November 02, 2014, 10:25:24 PM

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Quote from: Kinder on November 02, 2014, 10:11:17 PM

Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 02, 2014, 10:02:54 PM

My main concern is really reliability though, followed by availability of ammo. AK reliability doesn't really need mentioning, though idk if that applies to a budget one. I dunno how the VZ platform or the SKS hold up in comparison, and those are the main ones I'm considering. I do not like the feel of AR15s at all.

If you want reliability than an AK-pattern is where you can go best. But the SKS is equally as reliable as all Russian, Slav, and Oriental weapon systems were designed specifically for peasants living in any and all terrain possible. They were designed specifically for durability and reliability, the only thing that Commies oddly delivered on

Funny thing about the Soviets. They had an incredible military-industrial complex, the west didn't catch up until pretty late in the game. Unfortunately, their weak socialized economy couldn't support that level of military spending.

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ARs, while a good platform, require a lot of attention and maintence

My main reason for staying away from that for a first gun. I want something that is hard to fuck up.

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And 7.62x39 is VERY much available, but watch out for price gougers. Wal-mart always sells a box of 20 for around $5, the lowest price you can really get. Compare that to like $10 a box for .223

How does steel 7.62 compare to brass in terms of shelf life and cost?

Funny thing, I only shoot x39 and x54r. Pretty obvious x54r has great shelf life since all of it is like from the 70s but not sure the shelf life of x39 seeing as I just shoot it all and don't keep much. Do have around 700 rounds of .22lr though

what are you shooting? I assume a WASR or something and a nugget

3 Mosins
1 SKS
1 Mossberg 715t

WASR is on my list and just waiting till the 15th for a gun show and to see if anybody has one decently priced with all the accessories

I'm the unoffical quartermaster of this site. My dad has two shotguns and 3 handguns as well. Believe one of the shotguns is a 12 gauge American Savage pump, other is a single shot .410 gauge from Turkey. Handgun wise, a .45 Taurus Millennium, a .22lr Rahm revolver, a and 9x18mm Makarov (think it was converted to something else)