It's worse precisely because malformed monetary policies are more dangerous and lead to more hardship. What's worse, Greece entering Depression-level economic problems because it has mishandled the drachma. Or 19 countries entering Depression-level economic problems because the Euro has been mishandled by a central bank the individual members have little control over?
Or maybe should Europe wake the fuck up besides Britain playing the smartass? The problem doesn't exist in Greece and it's an issue at the European level.
Quote from: Isara on March 06, 2015, 01:39:48 PMOr maybe should Europe wake the fuck up besides Britain playing the smartass? The problem doesn't exist in Greece and it's an issue at the European level. Have you not been paying attention to anything I said? You obviously haven't, since my entire issue is that it's a problem at the European level. . . Which is why I don't want a European level to exist. So no problems can operate on that plane.
They've only had a (near) majority in parliament for a month and a half. Give them some time before reaching conclusions.
Good luck trying to dismantle the EU or the Eurozone. That's going to happen some time around..... never. I think most of the important EU countries minus the UK would rather go into a depression than leave EU or the Eurozone. It's too symbolic.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 06, 2015, 01:48:59 PMGood luck trying to dismantle the EU or the Eurozone. That's going to happen some time around..... never. I think most of the important EU countries minus the UK would rather go into a depression than leave EU or the Eurozone. It's too symbolic.The Eurozone will fail provided somebody undoes Draghi's good work, which is highly likely given the influence of the Bundesbank. It's possible that the Eurozone could be made to "work", but not without significant inconsistencies and risk. If the Eurozone lasts forever, it will be a great tragedy.
Have you not been paying attention to anything I said? You obviously haven't, since my entire issue is that it's a problem at the European level. . . Which is why I don't want a European level to exist. So no problems can operate on that plane.
A united Europe should be better for the member states. That's why it should exist. If you don't want an European Union to exist then that's a completely different story.
A united Europe should be better for the member states. That's why it should exist. If you don't want an European Union to exist then that's a completely different story.Quote from: Meta Cognition on March 06, 2015, 01:46:50 PMHave you not been paying attention to anything I said? You obviously haven't, since my entire issue is that it's a problem at the European level. . . Which is why I don't want a European level to exist. So no problems can operate on that plane.
Quote from: Isara on March 06, 2015, 02:26:43 PMA united Europe should be better for the member states. That's why it should exist. If you don't want an European Union to exist then that's a completely different story.Christ, the idea of a continent-wide currency is scary enough. Don't get me thinking about a federalized Europe, that's fucking nightmarish.
I don't think I've met a person living in the EU (who isn't British) who hates the EU. But then, on the other hand, the only two EU people I know are Flee and Isara.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 06, 2015, 05:25:53 PMI don't think I've met a person living in the EU (who isn't British) who hates the EU. But then, on the other hand, the only two EU people I know are Flee and Isara.You aren't looking hard enough, then. People like Marine La Pen and Geert Wilders do exist.
Don't worry, their idiotic parties will be booted out of parliament once the people realize they won't do anything except for spouting their Fascist bullshit. Just like with Golden Dawn.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 07, 2015, 02:20:20 PMDon't worry, their idiotic parties will be booted out of parliament once the people realize they won't do anything except for spouting their Fascist bullshit. Just like with Golden Dawn.Come on, Comms. You know better than to equate two parties with fascism when all they share is Euroscepticism. I'll maybe give you La Pen. But people like Wilders and Farage are no fascists.
I honestly don't know Wilders that well. But from the looks of it, he's just head of one of those generic, hard right Eurosceptic parties which exist in every country and generally share the same name.
Quote from: GethKhilafah on March 07, 2015, 02:24:05 PMI honestly don't know Wilders that well. But from the looks of it, he's just head of one of those generic, hard right Eurosceptic parties which exist in every country and generally share the same name.I don't think anybody would oppose the EU if it weren't so undemocratic and expansionist. An organisation run by an unelected commission seeking to incorporate Turkey is not an organisation anybody should seriously trust.
There were some negotiations in the past, but they're dead in the water. And said negotiations have been going on for 40 years now. Turkey is extremely unlikely to join the EU ever, especially now. And they aren't really seeking for Ukraine to join since Ukraine is such a populous country, and the EU has enough of its own problems. And most Balkan countries aren't really up to their membership standards as of now, so they've hit a wall right now. There won't be any more large expansions like the one in 2004 or 2007 again. Not to mention that there were 15-18 years between those countries in 2004 joining, and them being freed from complete Russian domination in 1989.
Greece will probably leave the Eurozone
