Greece will probably leave the Eurozone

 
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According to Alan Greenspan.
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It is only “a matter of time” before Greece is forced out of the eurozone, the former US Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan forecast. The prediction came as the UK chancellor, George Osborne, said Britain was “stepping up” contingency planning for dealing with any escalation of the crisis.

The former US central bank chairman said it was hard to see any other final outcome of attempts by the new leftwing Syriza government in Athens to renegotiate the terms of the country’s €240bn (£179bn) international bailout.

“I don’t see that it helps them to be in the euro, and I certainly don’t see that it helps the rest of the eurozone, and I think it is just a matter of time before everyone recognises that parting is the best strategy,” Greenspan told BBC Radio 4’s The World This Weekend.

Osborne, who held talks in Downing Street last week with anti-austerity finance minister Yanis Varoufakis, will join fellow G20 finance ministers at a summit in Turkey on Monday where the situation in Greece will dominate discussions.

He warned that a Greek exit – also known as Grexit – would cause “real ructions” and “real instability in financial markets in Europe”.

“This standoff between Greece and the eurozone is increasing the risks every day to the British economy. That’s why I’m going tomorrow to the G20 to encourage our partners to resolve this crisis,” he told BBC1’s Andrew Marr Show.

“It’s why we’re stepping up the contingency planning here at home. We’ve got to make sure we don’t at this critical time when Britain also is facing a critical choice add to the instability abroad with instability at home.”

Asked about Greece’s future in the euro, he said: “Obviously it’s a decision for the Greek people, but Greece has chosen to stay in the eurozone and has worked hard to stay in the eurozone, and frankly a Greek exit from the eurozone in my view would have very serious consequences not just for Greece.

“That’s why we’ve got to avoid this crisis getting out of control.”
Can't say I disagree. I do so very much hope this happens.


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So a virtually broke Greece leaving the Eurozone would cause financial disaster when they're still sucking Euros in bailouts?

Explain this to me Meta, since you're the financial wizard.


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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
So a virtually broke Greece leaving the Eurozone would cause financial disaster
The thing is, any country leaving a monetary/political union would cause financial upheaval as the market has to shift and move to accommodate the changes. For instances, the City of London would be hit hard by a U.K. exit because it would have to re-allocate resources and alter its structure to deal with the new methods of conducting trade which would come from separating ourselves from the rules and regulation of the Eurozone economy.

Plus there's a good chance Greek will default on their public sector debt, a good chunk of which is held by the private sector. The lack of confidence incurred by the mis-managed Greek exit could negatively effect the stock and bond markets making things further difficult.

I have to admit I don't understand the internals of the Eurozone as well as I should, but I think Greece could pull off a decent exit without too much trouble.


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Alan Greenspan?  More like Alan Greenscam!  HAHA AMIRITE?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.

DUDE MONEY DOESN'T EXIST LMAO
Alan Greenspan?  More like Alan Greenscam!  HAHA AMIRITE?
That's. . . Yaris Varoufakis

. . .

Not Greenspan.


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Alan Greenspan?  More like Alan Greenscam!  HAHA AMIRITE?
That's. . . Yaris Varoufakis

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Not Greenspan.
I knew it wasn't Greenspan in the picture, just joking about the notion money doesn't exist.  I know someone who's got a gold standard fetish and dislikes Greenspan, Bernanke, and the whole federal reserve and they said that about AG once.


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We always say to fight fire, you must use fire. This is wrong. Fighting fire with fire will leave scars and a new flame will rise. We must instead use water. It is the opposite of fire, it extinguishes the fire, it cools, it refreshes, it heals. We are made up of 70% water, we are not made up of 70% fire. Please practice what we truly are
So a virtually broke Greece leaving the Eurozone would cause financial disaster
The thing is, any country leaving a monetary/political union would cause financial upheaval as the market has to shift and move to accommodate the changes. For instances, the City of London would be hit hard by a U.K. exit because it would have to re-allocate resources and alter its structure to deal with the new methods of conducting trade which would come from separating ourselves from the rules and regulation of the Eurozone economy.

Plus there's a good chance Greek will default on their public sector debt, a good chunk of which is held by the private sector. The lack of confidence incurred by the mis-managed Greek exit could negatively effect the stock and bond markets making things further difficult.

I have to admit I don't understand the internals of the Eurozone as well as I should, but I think Greece could pull off a decent exit without too much trouble.
Better for the chaos to happen now than later though, right? Greece stops sucking everyone else dry and everyone else is just scrambling around to get things back orderly.. OR everyone else ends up like Greece and then start feeding off someone else?


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What kinds of major changes have happened in Greece so far?


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There was value to begin with?

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Would neighboring states gobble Greece up afterwards or would it become a "lone state"?


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Would neighboring states gobble Greece up afterwards or would it become a "lone state"?
They would become closer to Russia if they did.


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Would neighboring states gobble Greece up afterwards or would it become a "lone state"?

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Won't happen. However, if Europe wants to prove that the Euro is a failure then forcing Greece out of the Eurozone is a good way to prove that.

No, you don't Meta. Yet you are too confident with your opinions.

I have to admit I don't understand the internals of the Eurozone as well as I should, but I think Greece could pull off a decent exit without too much trouble.
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That was discarded. The government hasn't been playing the cards to hint towards that direction, because it would negatively affect the talks with Europe. However, they are aiming to cooperate with Europe instead of coming up with something shady like a Plan B with any other power.

Would neighboring states gobble Greece up afterwards or would it become a "lone state"?
They would become closer to Russia if they did.


 
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Major political and societal changes. Athens is no longer burning to the ground. Gatherings done the recent days are rallies to support the government in the negotiations, instead of continuous riots. The involved parties of previous governments that were corrupt have also been diminished. PASOK is unexistant, New Democracy almost collapsed, and little of their arguments in the parliament make definitive sense. Golden Dawn has lost a lot of numbers and that's a tremendous positive sign that the current government may be able to patch things up to sway people from resorting to an autocracy.

What kinds of major changes have happened in Greece so far?
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Won't happen. However, if Europe wants to prove that the Euro is a failure then forcing Greece out of the Eurozone is a good way to prove that.

No, you don't Meta. Yet you are too confident with your optinions.

I have to admit I don't understand the internals of the Eurozone as well as I should, but I think Greece could pull off a decent exit without too much trouble.
The Eurozone will break down eventually, and if anybody's more likely to leave it first it'll be Greece, given its current terrible state. Hell, I want them to leave, it'll be better for them in the long-run.

"Too confident with my opinions"? Well first of all you have no idea how confident I actually am, and they aren't just my opinions.


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Oh shiiiiiiiiit!!!!!

It's going to be so awesome being a tourist for Greece. Euro to Drachma conversion ratios massively favor those converting from Euro. Too bad I never registered to vote in the Greek elections so I wasn't able to vote for SYRIZA like I wanted to. Maybe they could have gotten 150 or 151 seats with my vote rather than just 149.....

But in all honesty, Greece most likely won't leave the Eurozone ever. It's too symbolically important for the EU. There was a far greater chance of them leaving the Eurozone in 2008/2009 before they bottomed out, but they already bottomed out in 2013.
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
so I wasn't able to vote for SYRIZA like I wanted to.
It's okay, you still got the economically illiterate government you wanted.


 
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You may call it economically illiterate, but their plans and projects are much better and changing than whatever the previous governments have accomplished. Greece will not leave the Eurozone; it doesn't benefit anyone.

It's okay, you still got the economically illiterate government you wanted.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
it doesn't benefit anyone.
I'd rather it collapsed sooner, not later.


 
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I would rather that it wouldn't collapse at all.

I'd rather it collapsed sooner, not later.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I would rather that it wouldn't collapse at all.

I'd rather it collapsed sooner, not later.
It's either that or a significantly malformed monetary policy, which is even worse.


 
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No, it's not worse than a collapse that would inevitably drag down the Eurozone with it. Nor it necessarily means a malformed monetary policy either.

It's either that or a significantly malformed monetary policy, which is even worse.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
No, it's not worse than a collapse that would inevitably drag down the Eurozone with it. Nor it necessarily means a malformed monetary policy either.
It's worse precisely because malformed monetary policies are more dangerous and lead to more hardship.

What's worse, Greece entering Depression-level economic problems because it has mishandled the drachma. Or 19 countries entering Depression-level economic problems because the Euro has been mishandled by a central bank the individual members have little control over?


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so I wasn't able to vote for SYRIZA like I wanted to.
It's okay, you still got the economically illiterate government you wanted.
No more economically illiterate than the retards running the country before.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
No more economically illiterate than the retards running the country before.
The retards running the country before had no control over the important policies.

Now you have retards running the country with no control over the important policies, and stupid ideas for what they do control.


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No more economically illiterate than the retards running the country before.
The retards running the country before had no control over the important policies.

Now you have retards running the country with no control over the important policies, and stupid ideas for what they do control.
They've only had a (near) majority in parliament for a month and a half. Give them some time before reaching conclusions.