don't let your feelings... get in the way of understanding what I'm actually saying.
He acted unprofessionally, insulted his coworkers, and tarnished Google's name. What the fuck did you think was gonna happen?
Quote from: Aether on August 26, 2017, 05:02:22 PMWhen did I ever say I thought they weren't going to fire him? I haven't even implied that I thought they weren't going to fire him. I explicitly only said that I don't respect their decision. I think you should reread what I've posted because your perception of it seems to be awfully skewed. You seem to feel pretty strongly about the guy and google's decision. It's fine if you don't agree with me, but don't let your feelings on the matter get in the way of understanding what I'm actually saying.I feel strongly about how pigheaded and dumb you are tbhQuoteAs for his points being pseudoscience, I have seen comments from legitimate psychologists saying that his points were based on actual research and that, essentially, even though there is no consensus within the field of psychology as to whether or not that research is correct and that more research needs to be done on the subject, the man at least based his ideas on something tangible and real (that being the studies conducted in that research) and didn't just conjure these points out of thin air.Debunked research. Flee made a post earlier in this thread or somewhere else, quote him or some shit if you're honestly going to be this coy about it.QuoteIf the guy is wrong, then he's wrong, and people should refute his ideas with research that shows the contrary to that which he's basing his points on. Educate him on why he's wrong.A grown man undermining his superiors and insulting his colleagues in the work place deserves to get fired if not suspended at the least. Especially when he's wrong. You don't "educate" someone like this, you get them the hell away from your company as fast as possible. He shouldn't need to be educated on this, he should know it already. If we can google this shit and know it, how does a google employee not know this?QuoteActing like he's some kind of bigot, making false claims about his memo being some kind of 'anti-diversity' memo even though it is specifically talking about ways in which he thinks google can still try to diversify their workforce without discriminating against certain people,And "American" Nazis talk about how they're just "race realists" and want what's best for all races, but really they're just racist dumbasses.QuoteIt's entirely disingenuous of people to portray him in that way.It's entirely disingenuous of you to paint him as this martyr fighting for workers rights, but here we are.QuoteEven if what he said was wrong, he was civil and reasonable in his arguments,You really consider what he did to be civil and reasonable? Sure, he wasn't ranting like a raving lunatic and knocking over tables, but come on. Let's be real about this.Quotehe based those arguments on actual research,Faulty, debunked research.Quoteand constructively expressed methods that he thought could help google continue to diversify its workforce without discriminating against certain people. And despite that, he was still fired, which google has the right to do, ergo I cannot respect their decision even though I understand the logic behind it perfectly well.It's not constructive to send out a company wide "manifesto" based on bullshit research that confirms his own biases.QuoteIf my opinion makes you angry or you think that I'm an idiot then so be it, I don't care whether or not you're pleased with me or what I think. Just at least understand my opinion before you decide that I am one.I just dislike you, the way you talk/write, and your general demeanor and attitude. You seem to just be playing devils advocate here.QuoteAnd why do you keep trying to use 'buddha' as a pejorative? smhBecause it is. It's the religion of lazy bums in the east, and vapid airheads who are "spiritual but don't believe in god" in the west.
When did I ever say I thought they weren't going to fire him? I haven't even implied that I thought they weren't going to fire him. I explicitly only said that I don't respect their decision. I think you should reread what I've posted because your perception of it seems to be awfully skewed. You seem to feel pretty strongly about the guy and google's decision. It's fine if you don't agree with me, but don't let your feelings on the matter get in the way of understanding what I'm actually saying.
As for his points being pseudoscience, I have seen comments from legitimate psychologists saying that his points were based on actual research and that, essentially, even though there is no consensus within the field of psychology as to whether or not that research is correct and that more research needs to be done on the subject, the man at least based his ideas on something tangible and real (that being the studies conducted in that research) and didn't just conjure these points out of thin air.
If the guy is wrong, then he's wrong, and people should refute his ideas with research that shows the contrary to that which he's basing his points on. Educate him on why he's wrong.
Acting like he's some kind of bigot, making false claims about his memo being some kind of 'anti-diversity' memo even though it is specifically talking about ways in which he thinks google can still try to diversify their workforce without discriminating against certain people,
It's entirely disingenuous of people to portray him in that way.
Even if what he said was wrong, he was civil and reasonable in his arguments,
he based those arguments on actual research,
and constructively expressed methods that he thought could help google continue to diversify its workforce without discriminating against certain people. And despite that, he was still fired, which google has the right to do, ergo I cannot respect their decision even though I understand the logic behind it perfectly well.
If my opinion makes you angry or you think that I'm an idiot then so be it, I don't care whether or not you're pleased with me or what I think. Just at least understand my opinion before you decide that I am one.
And why do you keep trying to use 'buddha' as a pejorative? smh
Everyone seems to still miss the point. Him having these views didn't get him fired. He attacked a company policy in an open forum. It doesn't matter which policy he criticized. He got fired for how he did it.