Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. LMAO
The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:07:48 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. LMAOThat you find it laughable doesn't make it wrong.It's been proven wrong several times. Believing poverty causes extremism is like believing blacks are monkeys.
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:07:48 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. LMAOThat you find it laughable doesn't make it wrong.
]People did that. Not Islam. In fact, Islam had and has very little to do with science. As for the poverty bullshit, explain to me why rich Saudis are the ones funding the terrorism?
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 12:33:44 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:30:59 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:07:48 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. LMAOThat you find it laughable doesn't make it wrong.It's been proven wrong several times. Believing poverty causes extremism is like believing blacks are monkeys.It's surely not the only condition, but wealth issues does play a role.But there are plenty of reasons people turn to extremism.It's the religion. How is it there's poverty all over the world, yet only in Muslim countries do we have people blowing themselves up?
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:30:59 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 12:27:35 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:07:48 PMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. LMAOThat you find it laughable doesn't make it wrong.It's been proven wrong several times. Believing poverty causes extremism is like believing blacks are monkeys.It's surely not the only condition, but wealth issues does play a role.But there are plenty of reasons people turn to extremism.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 01:16:52 PMI'd wager a combination of poor social/economic conditions,This is irrelevant.
I'd wager a combination of poor social/economic conditions,
Quotewar-stricken countries,This only helps to get recruits.
war-stricken countries,
Quotea religion that has failed to modernize,Modernization has nothing to do with it. Islam was trash from the get go.
a religion that has failed to modernize,
Quoteand mental issues in some of the extremists.The large majority of Muslim terrorists have no mental issues. I've provided lots of sources on this in the past. I don't have the time right now, I can do it later.
and mental issues in some of the extremists.
QuoteJust because people are not blowing themselves up in sub-Saharan Africa, or in Latin America doesn't mean they aren't killing each other - they are just using different methods.They're not killing each other over religion in South or Central America. And they're EXTREMELY religious in those countries. Hmm. How strange.
Just because people are not blowing themselves up in sub-Saharan Africa, or in Latin America doesn't mean they aren't killing each other - they are just using different methods.
QuoteSaying "Hurr Durr, it's all the religion's fault!" in terms of extremism is no better than saying "Hurr Durr, ban all guns!" in terms of gun control - attempting to minimize the issue to the bare bones, without looking at other conditions that are likely to affect one's choices in life.Funny how people all over the world face these same conditions and don't resort to senseless violence like Muslims do.
Saying "Hurr Durr, it's all the religion's fault!" in terms of extremism is no better than saying "Hurr Durr, ban all guns!" in terms of gun control - attempting to minimize the issue to the bare bones, without looking at other conditions that are likely to affect one's choices in life.
It's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.Oh now I'm negative for saying Islam is the problem? Try attacking my points instead of me.
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.
Quote from: Luciana on October 12, 2015, 04:53:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 03:30:37 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.Oh now I'm negative for saying Islam is the problem? Try attacking my points instead of me.He's saying you're negative for you seeing it as the ONLY problem.You guys on Sept seriously need better reading comprehensive skills.How is it the Middle East is the only place on Earth where they blow each other up over religion when there's religion all over the planet?Furthermore, how come Christians, Baha'i etc don't do this? Islam is the problem.
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 03:30:37 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.Oh now I'm negative for saying Islam is the problem? Try attacking my points instead of me.He's saying you're negative for you seeing it as the ONLY problem.You guys on Sept seriously need better reading comprehensive skills.
Quote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 06:46:18 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 06:13:20 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 12, 2015, 04:53:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 03:30:37 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.Oh now I'm negative for saying Islam is the problem? Try attacking my points instead of me.He's saying you're negative for you seeing it as the ONLY problem.You guys on Sept seriously need better reading comprehensive skills.How is it the Middle East is the only place on Earth where they blow each other up over religion when there's religion all over the planet?Furthermore, how come Christians, Baha'i etc don't do this? Islam is the problem.I love how you feel the need to add "blow each other up", as if it is the only form of killing that occurs in the world.But sure, be extremely specific to make sure your point fits.How about spilling acid in a little girl's face for wanting to go to school because Islam forbids it?
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 06:13:20 PMQuote from: Luciana on October 12, 2015, 04:53:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 03:30:37 PMQuote from: spewky bewgie on October 12, 2015, 02:57:51 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 02:43:53 PMIt's hilarious to me how some people blame everything BUT the religion. As if it's irrelevant and has no bearing on their actions.Apparently, my saying that there are other factors to consider on top of the religious beliefs means that the religion is not the problem.Excuse me for not seeing the world through such a negative lens.Oh now I'm negative for saying Islam is the problem? Try attacking my points instead of me.He's saying you're negative for you seeing it as the ONLY problem.You guys on Sept seriously need better reading comprehensive skills.How is it the Middle East is the only place on Earth where they blow each other up over religion when there's religion all over the planet?Furthermore, how come Christians, Baha'i etc don't do this? Islam is the problem.I love how you feel the need to add "blow each other up", as if it is the only form of killing that occurs in the world.But sure, be extremely specific to make sure your point fits.
The Muslims are the ONLY people that are consistently killing over their religion in large numbers everyday. Look at any ther religious group in the Middle East. They don't do that shit.
When Muslims and non-Muslims belonging to the same society are faced with the same economic and social conditions, Muslim are sometimes (e.g. as in the following case) infinitely more likely to turn to terrorism than their non-Muslim counterparts.
Most people think that terrorism comes from poverty, broken families, ignorance, immaturity, lack of family or occupational responsibilities, weak minds susceptible to brainwashing - the sociopath, the criminals, the religious fanatic, or, in this country, some believe theyβre just plain evil.Taking these perceived root causes in turn, three quarters of my sample came from the upper or middle class. The vast majorityβ90 percentβcame from caring, intact families. Sixty-three percent had gone to college, as compared with the 5-6 percent thatβs usual for the third world. These are the best and brightest of their societies in many ways.
Al Qaedaβs members are not the Palestinian fourteen-year- olds we see on the news, but join the jihad at the average age of 26. Three-quarters were professionals or semi- professionals. They are engineers, architects, and civil engineers, mostly scientists. Very few humanities are represented, and quite surprisingly very few had any background in religion. The natural sciences predominate. Bin Laden himself is a civil engineer, Zawahiri is a physician, Mohammed Atta was, of course, an architect; and a few members are military, such as Mohammed Ibrahim Makawi, who is supposedly the head of the military committee.
As a psychiatrist, originally I was looking for any characteristic common to these men. But only four of the 400 men had any hint of a disorder. This is below the worldwide base rate for thought disorders. So they are as healthy as the general population. I didnβt find many personality disorders, which makes sense in that people who are antisocial usually donβt cooperate well enough with others to join groups. This is a well-organized type of terrorism these men are not like Unabomber Ted Kaczynski, loners off planning in the woods. Loners are weeded out early on. Of the nineteen 9-11 terrorists, none had a criminal record. You could almost say that those least likely to cause harm individually are most likely to do so collectively.At the time they joined jihad, the terrorists were not very religious. They only became religious once they joined the jihad. Seventy percent of my sample joined the jihad while they were living in another country from where they grew up.[2]
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMThe reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty.You should probably try knowing what you're talking about, before talking as if you know what you're talking about. There is no correlation between poverty or education when it comes to either hate crimes or religious extremism.
I'd wager a combination of poor social/economic conditions
and mental issues in some of the extremists
Saying "Hurr Durr, it's all the religion's fault!"
I get it. You hate Muslims. You think they should die.
Quote from: Luciana on October 12, 2015, 12:38:31 PMQuote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:27:54 PM]People did that. Not Islam. In fact, Islam had and has very little to do with science. As for the poverty bullshit, explain to me why rich Saudis are the ones funding the terrorism?Bad choice of words. What I meant was people of Islamic faith were the ones making advancements in science and medicine and the hub of it all what an Islamic city. It's just odd how it went entirely backwards.Uncovering knowledge from looted Greek and Roman documents is not making advancements.
Quote from: challengerX on October 12, 2015, 12:27:54 PM]People did that. Not Islam. In fact, Islam had and has very little to do with science. As for the poverty bullshit, explain to me why rich Saudis are the ones funding the terrorism?Bad choice of words. What I meant was people of Islamic faith were the ones making advancements in science and medicine and the hub of it all what an Islamic city. It's just odd how it went entirely backwards.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 08:03:08 PMI get it. You hate Muslims. You think they should die.I hate Muslims because I think belief X has the capacity to cause action A? You have a funny way of defining hate.
Glenn Beck's most recent book: "It IS About Islam"
