Sort of relevant here: every religion has its own shittiness-sanctioned-by-god. Why did other religions put much of that behind them but Islam didn't? I have an easier time believing that it's because the Middle East (well, to be more specific, most practitioners of the faith) hasn't had the kinds of societal advancement as other parts of the world have experienced, as opposed to it being intrinsic to Islam itself. (Religion and culture are intertwined and influence each other, after all.)But then, that still doesn't explain why some Westerners will convert and change their views, unless grown adults are more impressionable than I realize.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AMThen you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former twowhy should they have to
Then you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former two
Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 11:15:16 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AMThen you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former twowhy should they have toIf they don't want their religion to be associated with them then it's kind of paramount to clarify that they don't agree with these guys nor condone their actions, don't you think?
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:18:17 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 11:15:16 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AMThen you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former twowhy should they have toIf they don't want their religion to be associated with them then it's kind of paramount to clarify that they don't agree with these guys nor condone their actions, don't you think?No, not at all. No one is responsible for anyone's actions but their own. There is no imperative for moderate muslims to justify or denounce the actions of their insane cunt lunatic Middle Eastern brethren. That's not their duty.
Quote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 11:20:49 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:18:17 AMQuote from: Verbatim on October 12, 2015, 11:15:16 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:05:25 AMThen you have the 'moderates' who are maybe not on the same bandwagon as the Jihadists and Islamists, but they're certainly not going out of their way to denounce the former twowhy should they have toIf they don't want their religion to be associated with them then it's kind of paramount to clarify that they don't agree with these guys nor condone their actions, don't you think?No, not at all. No one is responsible for anyone's actions but their own. There is no imperative for moderate muslims to justify or denounce the actions of their insane cunt lunatic Middle Eastern brethren. That's not their duty.Well they shouldn't act surprised when people associate them with the degenerate cunts they allegedly have no problem with.
Islam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.
Yeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuck
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:41:57 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.
Quote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet.
Quote from: Carsonogen on October 12, 2015, 09:20:14 AMBecause the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma.HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HOLY SHIT
Because the vast majority of muslims are no different than your harmless Christian grandma.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:45:56 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:41:57 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.As I told Splash, it's the world's second largest religion, with most of its adherents living in the poorest regions of the world.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet. And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:49:09 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:45:56 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:41:57 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.As I told Splash, it's the world's second largest religion, with most of its adherents living in the poorest regions of the world.You're attributing correlation with causation. Just because some Middle Eastern countries happen to be poor does not equate to a direct causation of its problems.Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Iran aren't even that poor anyway, so you kind of need to clarify on this one.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet. And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:52:15 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:49:09 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:45:56 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:41:57 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:39:09 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:34:25 AMIslam is the second largest religion. My issue with the anti-Islamic bent of many pundits is that they paint over a billion people with the same brush.The reason that there are so many Islamic terrorists is poverty. It's easy to hate a group when your life is shit, and the head religious person is telling you it's God telling them that the outsiders are the reason your kids are starving and armed men killed your friends. The Middle East needs to change. Easier said than done, but the powerful few in that area created a situation where they can live rich lives on the backs of others, and that God allows it because non Muslims are the enemy.Fix the poverty in that area and the situation rights itself.Yeah no, I'm not buying the poverty meme.South America is one of the most poverty stricken continents on the whole planet, and while despicable shit does occur, there are currently no international wars occuring sans maybe the clamp down of the drug trade.There are also no honour killings in South America, nor suicide bombers attempting to blow up religious institutions in the name of Pablo Escobar, nor rampant cases of FGM.I agree that the situation in the Middle East is a melting pot of clusterfuck that can't just be pinned on an entire religion, but to simply say 'poverty' as if it absolves everyone else of responsibility is just an infantile way of looking at things.Unm... Drug Cartels, mass beheadings, death squads... YES Central and South America has those problems too. So does most of Africa. Every poverty stricken area is war torn. The only difference with the ME is we are the target.Those can't be attributed to religion or perhaps even poverty though. The reason South America is in the mess it is in today is due to The War On Drugs and lack of emphasis on education.But as I said, funny how you don't see FGM or suicide bombing in the name of Christianity over there.As I told Splash, it's the world's second largest religion, with most of its adherents living in the poorest regions of the world.You're attributing correlation with causation. Just because some Middle Eastern countries happen to be poor does not equate to a direct causation of its problems.Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, Qatar, Jordan and Iran aren't even that poor anyway, so you kind of need to clarify on this one.But not everyone in those countries are wealthy... Go there and see super wealthy families lording over people starving to death.
Saudi Arabians generally enjoy a decent standard of living, due in large part to government programs designed to minimize poverty. Saudi citizens are given free education (although enrollment is not required and has historically been low, accounting for relatively high illiteracy rates) and health care, and all adult Saudis are entitled to a plot of land and a loan of US$80,000 with which to build a house.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:53:00 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet. And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.What the fuck are you slavering now? Moroccans didn't emigrate to France. France colonised Morocco.I'm talking about the Muslim immigrants in the UK that have failed to assimilate properly which has resulted in horrific ramifications for British, and it's being going on for longer than a generation.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:55:54 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:53:00 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet. And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.What the fuck are you slavering now? Moroccans didn't emigrate to France. France colonised Morocco.I'm talking about the Muslim immigrants in the UK that have failed to assimilate properly which has resulted in horrific ramifications for British, and it's being going on for longer than a generation.Yes... But an immigrant is an immigrant. If anything, there should have been more problems. And the reason the UK is having problems is that they aren't handling the influx correctly.
Get fucked kid.
Quote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:58:27 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:55:54 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:53:00 AMQuote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 11:50:21 AMQuote from: MyNameIsCharlie on October 12, 2015, 11:47:05 AMQuote from: SoporificSlash on October 12, 2015, 11:43:17 AMYeah but they're not doing it in the name of their religion you dense fuckDoes it matter? If EVERY Muslim acted out, fine. But it's the world's second largest religion. Most of the adherents are in the poorest regions of the planet. And we're beginning to see an assimilation problem in the West with adherents outside the poorest regions too. Look up the the Rotherham and Rochdale cases in the UK. Hell, just take a look at the fucking statistics me and Meta posted literally two pages back.They're they 1st generation of immigrants. Every group has assimilation problems when they come. Moroccans assimilated into the French culture just fine. It took a generation, but they did it. Arabs and the rest will assimilate as well.What the fuck are you slavering now? Moroccans didn't emigrate to France. France colonised Morocco.I'm talking about the Muslim immigrants in the UK that have failed to assimilate properly which has resulted in horrific ramifications for British, and it's being going on for longer than a generation.Yes... But an immigrant is an immigrant. If anything, there should have been more problems. And the reason the UK is having problems is that they aren't handling the influx correctly.So you do agree there is a problem with Islamic values both in the West and in the Middle East then? It has really nothing to do with numbers. It's how they integrate our values when immigrating here.
Sort of relevant here: every religion has its own shittiness-sanctioned-by-god. Why did plenty of other religions put much of that behind them, except for Islam? I have an easier time believing that it's because the Middle East (well, to be more specific, most practitioners of the faith) hasn't had the kinds of societal advancement as other parts of the world have experienced, as opposed to it being intrinsic to Islam itself. (Religion and culture are intertwined and influence each other, after all.)But then, that still doesn't explain why some Westerners will convert and change their views, unless grown adults are more impressionable than I realize.
Quote from: Ronnie Pickering on October 12, 2015, 10:08:37 AMGet fucked kid.I'm reading over this and loving the arguing, but please no "kid" stuff. It just reminds me of some 14 year old on xbox who keeps saying "kid kid kid!" to sound superior over the fuck he's crying over.
Glenn Beck's most recent book: "It IS About Islam"
