Who? vs Who?

Kissinger was a fucking pig.

Quote from: PSU on November 21, 2014, 02:31:26 PM

Who? vs Who?

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My bad son. I really don't know who they are.

Any background on these 2 gentlemen?

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:34:59 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 02:33:28 PM

Kissinger was a fucking pig.

u w0t m8?

Kissinger was god

A god complicit in the war crimes of East Timor.

All in the name of defeating communism.

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:32:07 PM

Quote from: PSU on November 21, 2014, 02:31:26 PM

Who? vs Who?

...

My bad son. I really don't know who they are.

Any background on these 2 gentlemen?

Hmmmmm I'll try and sum it up as short as possible, this'll be tough.

George Kennan - Ambassador to the Soviet Union that made the policy of containment which was quite possibly the single smartest foreign policy in US history. It allowed us to effectively and efficiently take out the Soviet Union.

Henry Kissinger - Nixon's Secretary of State and a damn fine one. He made the policies to get us out of Vietnam, strengthen ties with China, and significantly weaken the Soviet Union.

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:39:47 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 02:38:28 PM

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:34:59 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 02:33:28 PM

Kissinger was a fucking pig.

u w0t m8?

Kissinger was god

A god complicit in the war crimes of East Timor.

All in the name of defeating communism.

Which the U.S. never accomplished.

The Soviet Union is gone isn't it?

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:45:19 PM

The Soviet Union is gone isn't it?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, ey?

Yes we're all aware that the Soviet Union would have failed eventually but due to the US's efforts it shortened that time.

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:52:31 PM

Quote from: Meta Cognition on November 21, 2014, 02:50:26 PM

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 02:45:19 PM

The Soviet Union is gone isn't it?

Post hoc ergo propter hoc, ey?

Yes we're all aware that the Soviet Union would have failed eventually but due to the US's efforts it shortened that time.

Not really, the U.S. was ridiculously militant during the Cold War.

It wasn't so much battling the monolithic communist enemy as it was waiting for it to wither and die, needlessly killing hundreds of thousands of drafted American kids in the meantime.

This is coming from a guy who supported action in Kosovo and Iraq.

But that's exactly what the Policy of Containment did. Had we allowed the Soviet Union to expand that would have allowed them to survive longer. Communism has to grow to survive.

Quote from: Revofev on November 21, 2014, 03:01:40 PM

But that's exactly what the Policy of Containment did. Had we allowed the Soviet Union to expand that would have allowed them to survive longer. Communism has to grow to survive.

I don't disagree with containment, per se, but the way we looked at the whole issue was wrong. Communism, at least in countries like Viet Nam, was actually Nationalism in disguise but we failed to see that with our Red Detecting Goggles on.

I'll completely agree with that.