Quote from: Mad Max on November 03, 2014, 10:57:24 AMI wouldn't say that ~10% of Americans supporting less-strict gun laws is somehow showing that the other groups are wrong...The point is that most Americans do not want stricter gun laws, which is good. I also have to wonder how many among them just want something like more background checks.I am comfortable with the current gun laws in my state. The only thing I'd push for is concealed carry reciprocity.
I wouldn't say that ~10% of Americans supporting less-strict gun laws is somehow showing that the other groups are wrong...
Quote from: Mad Max on November 03, 2014, 11:30:01 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on November 03, 2014, 11:26:19 AMQuote from: Mad Max on November 03, 2014, 10:57:24 AMI wouldn't say that ~10% of Americans supporting less-strict gun laws is somehow showing that the other groups are wrong...The point is that most Americans do not want stricter gun laws, which is good. I also have to wonder how many among them just want something like more background checks.I am comfortable with the current gun laws in my state. The only thing I'd push for is concealed carry reciprocity....and 47% of Americans do. That's not exactly an insignificant number. Nobody is getting "BTFO" here. If only 4% of Americans wanted stricter laws, then go ahead an say that.But hyperbole is fun
Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 03, 2014, 11:26:19 AMQuote from: Mad Max on November 03, 2014, 10:57:24 AMI wouldn't say that ~10% of Americans supporting less-strict gun laws is somehow showing that the other groups are wrong...The point is that most Americans do not want stricter gun laws, which is good. I also have to wonder how many among them just want something like more background checks.I am comfortable with the current gun laws in my state. The only thing I'd push for is concealed carry reciprocity....and 47% of Americans do. That's not exactly an insignificant number. Nobody is getting "BTFO" here. If only 4% of Americans wanted stricter laws, then go ahead an say that.
>implying strict gun laws will stop criminals>implying criminals follow lawsBet these are the same people who smoke pot, which is still illegal. gg no re hypocrisy
Quote from: challengerX on November 03, 2014, 11:40:42 AMThis thread doesn't belong in Serious.Is gun control not a serious topic?
This thread doesn't belong in Serious.
Quote from: Mad Max on November 03, 2014, 11:45:34 AMGun control is, but not this thread, obviously.Quote from: challengerX on November 03, 2014, 11:44:49 AMNot when presented like this.We have a thread that accuses someone of pedophilia for an action taken at age seven.
Gun control is, but not this thread, obviously.
Not when presented like this.
Quote from: Kinder on November 03, 2014, 11:43:22 AM>implying strict gun laws will stop criminals>implying criminals follow lawsWell, I actually would argue that in some settings, gun control can bring down gun crime. It's clearly working alright for the UK.That said, what works in one country won't necessarily work in another. There are simply too many guns floating around here for something like what the UK has to work properly.The UK laws also leave the people basically fucked if their government goes to shit and starts to go authoritarian, though, so I wouldn't call that a total win.QuoteBet these are the same people who smoke pot, which is still illegal. gg no re hypocrisyI'm pretty sure this is a logical fallacy but I can't remember what it's called.
>implying strict gun laws will stop criminals>implying criminals follow laws
Bet these are the same people who smoke pot, which is still illegal. gg no re hypocrisy
Quote from: Kinder on November 03, 2014, 11:51:38 AMQuote from: TrussingDoor on November 03, 2014, 11:47:36 AMQuote from: Kinder on November 03, 2014, 11:43:22 AM>implying strict gun laws will stop criminals>implying criminals follow lawsWell, I actually would argue that in some settings, gun control can bring down gun crime. It's clearly working alright for the UK.That said, what works in one country won't necessarily work in another. There are simply too many guns floating around here for something like what the UK has to work properly.The UK laws also leave the people basically fucked if their government goes to shit and starts to go authoritarian, though, so I wouldn't call that a total win.QuoteBet these are the same people who smoke pot, which is still illegal. gg no re hypocrisyI'm pretty sure this is a logical fallacy but I can't remember what it's called.UK also never had the guarantee of guns as a right, nor do they function on the same legal concept as the USI feel like now is a good time to point out that the 2nd Amendment itself does not grant Americans the right to bear arms.The Constitution is largely based on the concept of natural rights, an idea I myself subscribe to. What the 2A does is ACKNOWLEDGE that it is, in fact, a natural right, and guarantees that that natural right shall not be infringed by the government.
Quote from: TrussingDoor on November 03, 2014, 11:47:36 AMQuote from: Kinder on November 03, 2014, 11:43:22 AM>implying strict gun laws will stop criminals>implying criminals follow lawsWell, I actually would argue that in some settings, gun control can bring down gun crime. It's clearly working alright for the UK.That said, what works in one country won't necessarily work in another. There are simply too many guns floating around here for something like what the UK has to work properly.The UK laws also leave the people basically fucked if their government goes to shit and starts to go authoritarian, though, so I wouldn't call that a total win.QuoteBet these are the same people who smoke pot, which is still illegal. gg no re hypocrisyI'm pretty sure this is a logical fallacy but I can't remember what it's called.UK also never had the guarantee of guns as a right, nor do they function on the same legal concept as the US
Gallup poll shows only ~47% of Americans want stricter gun laws
