Fuck Hillary Clinton

 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
How anybody can support her is utterly beyond me. Not only do certain facets of the media seem to hold them to lower standards (specifically Stephanopoulos's duplicity in interviewing Peter Schweizer), but they seem eager to shoot down any criticism in the most facile and unintelligent ways. Not, of course, that this isn't a staple of the media in general.

The IBT broke the story that regimes which donated to the Clinton Foundation received a spike in arms deals while Clinton was Secretary of State. And Slate, of course, jumps into the fray claiming that there is no "smoking-gun evidence" of a quid pro quo transaction. Which is a perfectly valid observation to make, but when it comes to who will be sitting in the White House, are you willing to play chicken? We know that Bill Clinton gave eleven speeches during Hillary's time as Secretary, each connected to certain companies with pending business before the dept., and all of which were concluded favourable for each connected company.

And, of course, we have people like the insufferable Nick Kristof making proclamations about how the Clintons' greed is actually driven by a political system which needs money as an incessant form of fuel; yet the idea that the Clintons are making $700,000 speeches in countries like Nigeria (with connections to those aforementioned companies) to "fuel their campagin" is ridiculous, especially since the Clinton Foundation pays for all their travel expenses.

We've already had one duplicitous Clinton at the helm, let's not have another.


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Clinton's corruption is so widespread and public that people just stopped giving a shit. She's totally unlikable in speeches, refuses to answer questions during her campaign, is constantly defensive and shady during interviews, and has done nothing to assuage the growing concerns that the Clinton Foundation is anything but a way to give and receive kickbacks for favors.
Last Edit: May 30, 2015, 05:16:48 PM by HurtfulTurkey


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A large number of her major donors are media companies. Kinda a given that she gets a lot of free passes.
Last Edit: May 30, 2015, 05:00:12 PM by Naoto


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And shes still gonna win by a shit ton.


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Oh, and her fucking "listening tour", i.e., photo ops of her in a key state pretending to care what middle-class Iowans think while not answering a single question about her platform. If she gets elected we'll deserve all the consequences.
Last Edit: May 30, 2015, 06:17:17 PM by HurtfulTurkey


 
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Still has my vote.


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Well sexing her u is pretty nasty, m8.

Anyway, reason she's liked is for two raisins.

1. Bush's two terms and modern republicans are seen as backwards, thus making it easier for Dems to appeal to the masses

2. Her husband is basically the modern day FDR


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Still has my vote.

You're fucking pathetic.


 
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emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Still has my vote.
Tbh I really don't see how you're any different than the backwater hicks who vote Republican just because they're Republican.


 
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I might vote for Rand Paul to be honest. Keeping an eye on him.

Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.


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I might vote for Rand Paul to be honest. Keeping an eye on him.

Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Yeah. Rand Paul is seeming better the more I look at his views.

I have no desire to vote for Hillary, and was honestly considering going 3rd party.


 
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I might vote for Rand Paul to be honest. Keeping an eye on him.

Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Yeah. Rand Paul is seeming better the more I look at his views.

I have no desire to vote for Hillary, and was honestly considering going 3rd party.
But he also wants "small government" which means no nationalized health care, and we're the only developed western nation to not have it. At least not on the scale places like Europe does.


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I might vote for Rand Paul to be honest. Keeping an eye on him.

Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Yeah. Rand Paul is seeming better the more I look at his views.

I have no desire to vote for Hillary, and was honestly considering going 3rd party.
But he also wants "small government" which means no nationalized health care, and we're the only developed western nation to not have it. At least not on the scale places like Europe does.
Yeah but at the same time, would nationalized healthcare be worth 4-8 years of Hillary?


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Take it from a Brit--you don't want that.

Go down the Canadian, German, French or even Singaporean route.


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Still has my vote.

You're fucking pathetic.
FUCKING

PATHETIC!!!!!

But it's true. Nothing is more disgusting or pathetic than being displayed a multitude of evidence of Clinton's corruption and bullshit but being like

"LOL HURRR I'LL STILL VOTE FOR HER ANYWAY LOL"

It angers me. Icy Wind is just a piece of shit democrat shill for no other reason than being a shill who'd rather vote for a seriously corrupt politician just to keep a republican out rather than vote for someone who wouldn't damage the country more than it already is. And if you can't see why that's upsetting, that someone's so brain dead to vote for Hillary despite the evidence, I don't know what to tell you.


 
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Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Take it from a Brit--you don't want that.

Go down the Canadian, German, French or even Singaporean route.
I'm just saying that it's better than having to go into surgery and then being bankrupt. Let's say your appendix is about to burst, and you have to go in. You can't help that, it just happens sometimes. That will bankrupt you over here, or cost you a shit ton of money.

Our excuse for that kind of healthcare is "the doctors don't feel as inspired to try harder". It's a very pathetic excuse.


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Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Take it from a Brit--you don't want that.

Go down the Canadian, German, French or even Singaporean route.
I'm just saying that it's better than having to go into surgery and then being bankrupt. Let's say your appendix is about to burst, and you have to go in. You can't help that, it just happens sometimes. That will bankrupt you over here, or cost you a shit ton of money.

Unless you have a nifty thing called 'health insurance'.


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Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Take it from a Brit--you don't want that.

Go down the Canadian, German, French or even Singaporean route.
I'm just saying that it's better than having to go into surgery and then being bankrupt. Let's say your appendix is about to burst, and you have to go in. You can't help that, it just happens sometimes. That will bankrupt you over here, or cost you a shit ton of money.

Unless you have a nifty thing called 'health insurance'.
But not everyone does, even after the ACA and state programs. I went without insurance for a while because I simply couldn't afford to be taking home any less than 100% of my paycheck.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
But not everyone does, even after the ACA and state programs. I went without insurance for a while because I simply couldn't afford to be taking home any less than 100% of my paycheck.
Let's not forget insurance costs are so high because companies aren't allowed to compete across state lines.

I don't know your specific views on the best system of healthcare, but it doesn't stand to reason that a nationalised system would be any better.


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Only problem is that I also am strongly in favor for nationalized health care.
Take it from a Brit--you don't want that.

Go down the Canadian, German, French or even Singaporean route.
I'm just saying that it's better than having to go into surgery and then being bankrupt. Let's say your appendix is about to burst, and you have to go in. You can't help that, it just happens sometimes. That will bankrupt you over here, or cost you a shit ton of money.

Unless you have a nifty thing called 'health insurance'.
But not everyone does, even after the ACA and state programs. I went without insurance for a while because I simply couldn't afford to be taking home any less than 100% of my paycheck.

Defund social security and either allow people to take that money home and spend however they want, direct it to mandated minimum health insurance provided by employers, or keep the deduction the same and funnel it into subsidized healthcare. There are solutions, and it doesn't involve rocket science.

I think all government employees should be provided health care, and all private companies should provide health care. In my opinion, it's a smart investment in the employees and reduces risk. In addition, real healthcare reform needs to revolve around drastically changing the way healthcare is provided in terms of cost and risk, and a complete overhaul of the malpractice system which accounts for much of the staggering costs of procedures.
Last Edit: May 31, 2015, 02:50:04 PM by HurtfulTurkey


 
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Still has my vote.
Tbh I really don't see how you're any different than the backwater hicks who vote Republican just because they're Republican.

I've explained why I'll likely be voting for her over Sanders/O'Malley before. I'd rather not do it again


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.


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Still has my vote.
Tbh I really don't see how you're any different than the backwater hicks who vote Republican just because they're Republican.

I've explained why I'll likely be voting for her over Sanders/O'Malley before. I'd rather not do it again
Yeah I'm not talking about the Democratic Candidacy election.

I'm talking about this incessant hivemind mentality of "always vote Democrat, never vote Republican just cause." I really don't care who you vote for, but at least have the courteousness to actually consider both sides of the argument from both parties instead of just stagnating to one side.


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But not everyone does, even after the ACA and state programs. I went without insurance for a while because I simply couldn't afford to be taking home any less than 100% of my paycheck.
Let's not forget insurance costs are so high because companies aren't allowed to compete across state lines.

I don't know your specific views on the best system of healthcare, but it doesn't stand to reason that a nationalised system would be any better.
I think what would be better than what we have now is state-funded healthcare that doesn't leave you high and dry if you're out-of-state. That's why nationalized healthcare is attractive because if I'm out of state and need to see the doc, I'm not fucked.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
That's why nationalized healthcare is attractive because if I'm out of state and need to see the doc, I'm not fucked.
Or you could just scrap the regulation which prohibits inter-state insurance coverage?


 
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Still has my vote.
Tbh I really don't see how you're any different than the backwater hicks who vote Republican just because they're Republican.

I've explained why I'll likely be voting for her over Sanders/O'Malley before. I'd rather not do it again
I'm talking about this incessant hivemind mentality of "always vote Democrat, never vote Republican just cause." I really don't care who you vote for, but at least have the courteousness to actually consider both sides of the argument from both parties instead of just stagnating to one side.

You do realize I have stated that if someone like Huntsman were to run, I would support them?

I have no problem choosing to vote Republican, but there is no one in this current batch of candidates who I remotely can find myself supporting.