She's 23, married, just an average person, but out of nowhere found a lump on her throat and found out (after weeks of testing) that she has lymphoma. The cancer is in her bone marrow, meaning it's treatable but she can never be cured. Survival rate is about 60% for 10 years. In all likelihood she'll be dead before she's 35. If she ever has kids they'll grow up mostly without a mom, and that's assuming chemo doesn't sterilize her (which it almost always does).

Not sure what to talk about. I had a friend get killed by a drunk driver somewhat recently, and now a good friend is basically succumbing slowly to a deadly disease. Share your experiences like this, good or bad.

My cousin, who I'm close with, was diagnosed with the same cancer June 2013. Except it was stage 3. Was hard but he made a full recovery. Just gotta stay positive. God has a plan.

God has a plan.

Sure does. It's just hard to understand why it is what it is sometimes.

A girl I was friends with in high school just found out she has stage 3 Hodgkins lymphoma and she's only 19. My cousin crushed his spine about a year and a half ago, when he was 19, and is now a quadriplegic. I have another cousin that was shot to death last year and her sister's husband died in a tractor accident later that year.

So, really, nothing that can't be solved by killing ourselves, essentially.

Quote from: 外ギン AVIATION on August 31, 2015, 10:09:31 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on August 31, 2015, 10:01:46 PM

So, really, nothing that can't be solved by killing ourselves, essentially.

I'm not sure what you want me to say. You know that's not what I'm saying, or the position any Judeo-Christian religion takes (save Islam via martyrdom), so you're purposefully derailing the thread out of derision.

For further questions, refer to Google or your nearest bible.

Just seems like an awfully complex way for the human race to allegedly advance when you can essentially just cut out the middle man.

I suppose I can't really understand why any of this can strike a cord with anyone, especially with someone as scientifically literate as yourself. But I guess you're entitled to withhold these views.

Quote from: 外ギン AVIATION on August 31, 2015, 10:09:31 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on August 31, 2015, 10:01:46 PM

So, really, nothing that can't be solved by killing ourselves, essentially.

If I understand, it's more taking your punishments in step. Losing your friends in such ways may further put life into perspective in terms of what you need to do to live more godly as an individual and as a community.

Seems like an awfully subtle and pernicious way to put your life into 'perspective.'

Not to mention, not all people view it like that. People can take loss in various different, sometimes even tragic ways. I just don't see how a supposed all loving god could do something as abhorrent like that just to 'advance' a person.

Sounds like a utilitarian prick to me.

Quote from: Prime Snake on August 31, 2015, 10:24:12 PM

Quote from: 外ギン AVIATION on August 31, 2015, 10:09:31 PM

Quote from: HurtfulTurkey on August 31, 2015, 10:01:46 PM

So, really, nothing that can't be solved by killing ourselves, essentially.

If I understand, it's more taking your punishments in step. Losing your friends in such ways may further put life into perspective in terms of what you need to do to live more godly as an individual and as a community.

Seems like an awfully subtle and pernicious way to put your life into 'perspective.'

Not to mention, not all people view it like that. People can take loss in various different, sometimes even tragic ways. I just don't see how a supposed all loving god could do something as abhorrent like that just to 'advance' a person.

Sounds like a utilitarian prick to me.

God isn't just loving, he's also wrathful. His punishments are intended to set upon those to learn the righteous path, and there are countless examples throughout both the Old and New Testament in which he practically tortures his people through his insistence that they follow His creed. But He isn't jut throwing hissy-fits when He doesn't get his way; they're punishments he inflicts due to the victims not following his rules.

I always imagined it like a pattlin', except with more death. Keep in mind I may be completely wrong about this, I'm just speaking from my own knowledge and perspective on Christianity. And unless you're speaking with a Catholic from the 16th century, chances are any Christian you speak with about it will have a different view. One of the Ninety-Five Theses and all that mumbo.