Quote from: 🅱️egone thots on May 08, 2017, 10:45:04 AMQuote from: Flee on May 08, 2017, 09:11:47 AMQuote from: 🅱️egone thots on May 08, 2017, 04:16:18 AMQuote from: Flee on May 07, 2017, 09:55:23 PMHe said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.lmao whatHow is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere. We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"Maybe Belgium and France take this sort of defeatist approach to terrorism, but the rest of us don't. UK and US intelligence services have prevented innumerable plots and I can assure you terrorism isn't "a daily part of our lives" for us, nor will it ever be, and I find it disrespectful that you would even suggest that.I'm sorry, I just don't accept that this is just something that's going to be a thing we have to put up with, because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Our intelligence services have proven that time and time again, although I guess from your country's perspective you aren't really accustomed to competent counter terrorism.I'm not suggesting for a minute that terrorism will be hounded out completely. There will always be fanatics that manage to slip through the cracks and threaten the possibility of an attack. But it should be a slim possibility, not something that the public just have to buck up and accept as a """daily part of our lives""" lmao.Then you're just a moron, because it is. Counter terrorism units have stopped plots like this everywhere. Some people just aren't as blind to these threats as you are, and it's not at all "defeatist" to realize this.
Quote from: Flee on May 08, 2017, 09:11:47 AMQuote from: 🅱️egone thots on May 08, 2017, 04:16:18 AMQuote from: Flee on May 07, 2017, 09:55:23 PMHe said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.lmao whatHow is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere. We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"Maybe Belgium and France take this sort of defeatist approach to terrorism, but the rest of us don't. UK and US intelligence services have prevented innumerable plots and I can assure you terrorism isn't "a daily part of our lives" for us, nor will it ever be, and I find it disrespectful that you would even suggest that.I'm sorry, I just don't accept that this is just something that's going to be a thing we have to put up with, because it isn't, and it shouldn't be. Our intelligence services have proven that time and time again, although I guess from your country's perspective you aren't really accustomed to competent counter terrorism.I'm not suggesting for a minute that terrorism will be hounded out completely. There will always be fanatics that manage to slip through the cracks and threaten the possibility of an attack. But it should be a slim possibility, not something that the public just have to buck up and accept as a """daily part of our lives""" lmao.
Quote from: 🅱️egone thots on May 08, 2017, 04:16:18 AMQuote from: Flee on May 07, 2017, 09:55:23 PMHe said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.lmao whatHow is this so hard to understand? The number of terrorist attacks and deaths in the West has increased rapidly over the last few years. The US, UK, France, Belgium, Germany and so on have all been the victim of high profile attacks. For the first time in ages, we are facing an actually organized terrorist enemy that does not hole itself up in a cave but actually has something resembling an army that managed to take over large amounts of land and city. An enemy that is media conscious, appeals to many, sucessfully recruits across the globe and takes advantage of war torn countries and the current immigration crisis. There's regular stabbings, shootings, bombings and vehicles driving into people and it's gotten to the point that the question is "when/where" rather than "if" they will happen again sometime soon. National threat levels across the West are elevated and military rather than police presence is a growing thing in airports and public spaces. The war on terror is no longer a buzzword describing troops in Afghanistan, but extensive security measures at home too. Counter-terrorism hasn't been this "popular" since 9/11 and everything from immigration bans to extended mass surveillance is being explored as an answer to the issue. Intelligence services everywhere are being reformed and counter-terrorist / security units are expanding everywhere. We live in a time where terrorist attacks and deaths in the West have recently skyrocketed. Where the government is pushing for growing mass surveillance and access to our private lives just to combat terrorism. Where elevated threat levels have become normal and military presence in public places is the new standard. To suggest this threat is not part of our lives now is absurd and I commend Macron for mentioning it despite of the terrible right wing blogs that are all too eager to frame this as "OMG he says terrorism is just something normal we will now have to live with wow he's saying we should give up!?"
Quote from: Flee on May 07, 2017, 09:55:23 PMHe said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.lmao what
He said that the threat of terrorism is part of our daily lives in the near future, which is completely and undeniably true for all of us.
Quote from: Luciana on May 08, 2017, 12:49:37 AM far right people here lmao
far right people here
Quote from: AssMaster 11D7 on May 08, 2017, 10:59:23 AMHere's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.
Here's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.
Quote from: gats on May 08, 2017, 11:29:05 AMQuote from: AssMaster 11D7 on May 08, 2017, 10:59:23 AMHere's an idea, don't bring in people from third world countries and just remove the ones that are currently there and watch as terrorism magically disappears.That completely overlooks the number of homegrown terrorists, people of which have been living in Europe for over a decade some born and bred here.Parents came from third world, throw them out too
Welcome to Macron's France!
It's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services.
Not to nick pick one thing out of your entire comment but why would my trust in police begin to falter because of terrorism? Police are perhaps the only authority figures these days I have nothing but respect for. Quote from: Flee on May 09, 2017, 02:35:56 PMIt's not about every single French person directly encountering terrorism. It's about how the new threat of it affects us all, whether physically, or by new security measures, or by how we see people in neighborhood, or by how we experience our safety, or by reducing our trust in police services.
Quote from: 🅱️egone thots on May 08, 2017, 11:08:30 AMYou tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism. No, I call people morons when they say moronic things. I disagree with plenty of people and still think that what they say is intelligent or has some merit to it. You know nothing about my attitude towards terrorism or views on immigration yet still hound me for pointing out what I think is a harsh truth. You live in the UK, right? The threat level has been at severe for 3 years, meaning that another terrorist attack is considered "highly likely". A bill was recently adopted that is set to require the implementation of backdoors in encryption so that your secure communications can be read by the government at will. Other sections will have your ISP's monitor your communications and activities in real time for the government to access. Recent counter-terrorism bills are eroding civil liberties and circumventing basic principles of our rule of law, such as by detaining people for months without trial, charge or defense. There's military personnel stationed at the airports and in major cities like London at all times. Schools and universities are required to monitor students and take action to avoid radicalization. Law enforcement now has broad powers to impose a wide array of "prevention and investigation" measures in a way which no longer requires reasonable suspicion but only a "balance of probabilities". The current plan for securing Parliament and surrounding areas involve the deployment of "attack dog" patrols in London. And that's shaping up to just be the start of it after the attack in London two months ago. These are all ways in which the threat of terrorism is affecting the lives of many, even though you don't have to fear Jihadi John 2.0 beheading you in the streets.Of course Macron isn't talking about your particular life. He isn't saying anything defeatist. He isn't telling the French that they're just going to accept terrorism and expect to almost get blown up whenever they leave the house. He isn't saying there will be police officers busting through your door tomorrow to make sure Osama 2.0 isn't hiding under your bed, or that you'll just have to deal with him walking through your town. He speaks for the entire country as a whole, both directly and indirectly. Being faced with military and attack dogs in London instead of your friendly neighborhood bobby? Effect of terrorism. Your government having ISP's monitor all your communications, even the encrypted ones, in real time and putting your name on a list for joking about terrorist attacks? Terrorism. Your university putting you on a list for saying certain things during class? Terrorism. Cameras in new places monitoring your every move, security checkpoint with military personnel in public, extra safeguards and measures on the subway? Terrorism. Am I saying this is bad? No, but it's an undeniable change to society and the lives of those within it because of the threat of terrorism. It doesn't have to be that visible or up in your face to affect your life. Your extremely narrow definition seems to stem from your eagerness to paint Macron in a negative light, and your lashing out seems to reveal that all the more. And if me pointing stuff like that out and challenging this black/white outlook of extremes makes me the worst mod on this forum, then brother, buckle up because I will wear that one with pride.
You tote around this holier than thou attitude just because you have a law degree then decry people as "morons" who don't subscribe to your pathetic, servile attitude towards terrorism.
husky is like 16 guys, calm down
French General Elections thread - Macron to be new French president
