Quote from: DAS B00T x2 on February 23, 2018, 11:05:58 AM

Quote from: R o c k e t on February 23, 2018, 01:11:05 AM

The amount of shootings being prevented immediately after this shooting are terrifying. I've heard of 3 so far, not including the one at a local high school where I live.

It's almost as if mass media coverage and glorification of these people starts to inspire other lonely virgins to become heroes too.

You have to wonder why they focus so much on the guy that does it when all it does is inspire the next one to try and one up them. I remember last tragedy there was an emphasis on not doing it, yet the moment this one happens they're all over it again.

Tragedy sells.

Alex Jones spreads conspiracy theories but the establishment media does the same with Russian collusion.

tbh I'm leaning in favor of banning personal ownership of semi-automatic guns in general. Evidence shows this works. It feels like 2A proponents (which I generally consider myself to be) need to determine an acceptable level of gun homicides to sustain largely unfettered access to guns, and if that answer is an honest admission that the current numbers are okay, that's better than further deflection.

Aren't most homicides with a handgun? What does banning assault rifles help?

  Other than target shooting the AR platform is useless.

I know AR type rifles are explicitly restricted in Canada under your system, but is there a blanket ban on hunting with semis?
I mean, they're pretty beneficial for the elderly or otherwise disabled since the moving action helps lessen the recoil impulse compared to a bolt gun in the same chambering. A faster second shot can also lessen the chance of an animal escaping merely wounded.

Quote from: XSEAN on February 25, 2018, 02:27:27 PM

  Other than target shooting the AR platform is useless.

I know AR type rifles are explicitly restricted in Canada under your system, but is there a blanket ban on hunting with semis?
I mean, they're pretty beneficial for the elderly or otherwise disabled since the moving action helps lessen the recoil impulse compared to a bolt gun in the same chambering. A faster second shot can also lessen the chance of an animal escaping merely wounded.

Assault rifle helps also if there is a riot and people are attacking your shop.

The only difference between the AR platform from civilian use to military use is the option of fully automatic fire

That's an enormous difference. It's what makes the AR-15 a non-military-grade, non-assault-rifle. Hell, you canucks can go purchase an M14, a weapon that was actually used in wars. In the context of murdering a bunch of people in close range without much thought towards accuracy or other ballistic considerations, how is holding an AR-15 different from an M14? How is it different from a semi-automatic handgun? The specificity of banning one type of gun is reactionary and unreasonable.

Either the age of purchasing, more in dept checks or any other form of option that may arise.  Gun's don't kill people kill people. 

You don't ban cars for car accidents you charge the operator of the vehicle.   

Cliches are cute, but we actually do strictly control the ownership of vehicles. They require extensive training and a valid license, insurance, and registration. And when people abuse their access to vehicles or demonstrate incompetence, that access is revoked. Do you believe weapons should be regulated like vehicles? Because I don't think that's a terrible idea.

I've been quiet about this..... up until now. I saw the whole thing unfold on my phone while I was at work and man was I livid. So. First let me address the elephant in the room for 2 media outlets that I find disturbing for stretching the truth and overall being currupt in general. Fuck CNN and fuck The Guardian. I can't trust either of them. CNN especially. Also, fuck Fox too. On with my post:


This shit is beyond unacceptable, is this going to change anything? Doubt it. What's really disgusting is how the FBI had details on Nikolas Cruz and they took no action prior to this shit. 17 people lost their lives, most of those who's lives didn't even really start yet, cut short. because of a fucking primate. I'm not posting his mugshot here but he literally looks like a monkey.

Its fucked up. The whole thing is not only sad, but extremely depressing, and its repugnant that this is becoming the norm in my country. Schools need to have full on security armed to the teeth with metal detectors to prevent shit like this from happening. That's really the biggest change that can be done right now, because America is a gun culture nation. Guns circulate like money here.

Its disgusting that every single mass shooting like this now only sparks up the debate on gun control. A debate I am tired of seeing exist, a debate that needs to not only end, but die for good. The problem is this debate will outlive all of us. Humanity will have to evolve in at least 500 years to get past this shit.
 
When it comes to guns and this situation in particular, here is what I agree with:

- literally Nikolas Cruz should have not been able to purchase that AR-15, not at the age of 18, and should have been taken to a mental ward early on in his life. Nobody at the age of 18 should have the legal right to by a firearm. If they're not old enough to drink, they're not old enough to shoot. The US Army is the major exception of the rule and only when they are at base. I'm not saying Cruz should have joined the Army, I'm talking about any good law binding citizen that's under 21, can't have a gun and can only have one if they are at base in the army and trained for accordingly let alone formerly educated.

-The test to gun safety needs to be much more challenging, and background checks need to take longer and more detailed on a person's psyche.

-Schools should have armed guards and metal detectors across the entire perimeter. The way I see it we have to live in a police state now if we want to prevent shit like this from happening again as much as possible.

-Cruz getting the death penalty (My taxdollars are at work keeping prisons running and I'd feel even shittier knowing my hard earn tax money is housing this fucker if he lives)

Here is what I do not agree with:

-Abolishing the 2nd Amendment (If you're a US citizen living here, you're an idiot if you think that's going to solve everything regarding guns. If you're a European or any other non-US person or a US person not living in the states anymore, I'm sorry but this isn't Europe or wherever you are from/living at, this is America. America does not operate like Europe or your current country of origin/current foreign location, what works in a foreign country will never work in the United States, ever, so you need to let that shit go and let us fix this ourselves.)

-Ban the sales of AR-15s in general (all because of this mother fucking kid? You might as well as ban all violent video games then)

-Ban all guns (say America did that and pretty much killed the NRA, do you seriously think that's going to stop mass shootings? People who will want to commit a mass shooting will still do it, and it will happen a lot more than it does now. its called the flea market and the black market. No background checks, no test. Just pay cash, and you own a fucking AR-15 or AK47 or hell even a .22 Glock, illegally, and its incredibly easy to do if you have no guilty conscience or morals )

And my heart really does go out to all the victims here, including the survivors, and the survivors that say the AR-15 needs to be banned.

I get their pain, I feel their pain. That shit is traumatizing, I myself was in a lockdown in middle school and I'm glad that some idiot in the high school next to my school only brought a BB gun (not a real one) and no one was hurt or killed, so I can't even imagine what those kids went through.

Unfortunately, what they do not understand is that won't solve the problem. Ban the AR-15 and someone will illegally get an AR-15 and shoot up another school or illegally get an AK47, or any gun for that matter with the right know how to make it automatic even.

Remember, guns don't kill people. People kill people. The gun is nothing more but a tool. An instrument. Yes its main intent is designed for killing any living thing, but an AR-15 isn't going to grow legs and walk out the door of a gun store and go to a school and start shooting. That's not how it works.

When someone plays the guitar and that guitar sounds so awesome and amazing. Is it the guitar? No, its the person playing it, because you can give it to someone else and it can sound lousy.

Same with a gun. Give it to someone who has never used it and he or she could fuck up and hurt themselves, and give it to someone trained and they can aim a target with ease because they practice, or give it to a bad person and shit like this happens.

This is the reality we live in, and in all honesty, nothing is going to make this problem completely go away. Its gonna keep happening again and again and again. People tend to forget overtime or put stuff like this in the back of their minds until the next shooting happens. Its sick, but there is nothing we can do about it.

Wanna erase guns from history? Build a time machine, go back in time and kill the person who invented gun powder before he invents it.

That's my 25 cents on the matter. You may reply to it, telling me I'm wrong and that I should shut up and that I'm a fucking American idiot, say what you want. I'm not going to bother responding back. I just needed to vent about this and get all the negativity out of my system regarding this issue.

tbh fam I'v been countering everyone who uses the "you can buy a rifle but not a beer" argument irl  by agreeing that it's absurd and saying that we need to lower our drinking age to 18 like the rest of the developed world. It either ends the conversation or derails it totally away from guns.

Alcohol kills more people than drugs but only one is legal.

People who will want to commit a mass shooting will still do it, and it will happen a lot more than it does now. its called the flea market and the black market. No background checks, no test. Just pay cash, and you own a fucking AR-15 or AK47 or hell even a .22 Glock, illegally, and its incredibly easy to do if you have no guilty conscience or morals )

The majority of these young shooters don't strike me as resourceful enough to do this.

tbh fam I'v been countering everyone who uses the "you can buy a rifle but not a beer" argument irl  by agreeing that it's absurd and saying that we need to lower our drinking age to 18 like the rest of the developed world. It either ends the conversation or derails it totally away from guns.

wait, do people really use that argument in contexts other than "we ought to lower the drinking age"

It's called the flea market.