It wasn't the "tree of knowledge", it was the "tree of knowledge of good and evil". Adam already knew what was good (everything), and very well could have been the smartest person in history, having face to face conversations with an omniscient god, speaking from within the framework of the story.Knowledge isn't good just because it's knowledge. It wasn't about enlightenment, it was about fucking people over for the hell of it.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:32 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 02:05:20 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?But we weren't ignorant or stupid. The only difference was, we weren't in sin.We had the freedom of choice, but we chose wrong. Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong, since they were told not to do it, but the gravity of what they had done didn't sink in until after the fact. They felt shame and hid from God because of it.You see it as "enlightenment" or realization, but this event isn't called "The fall of man" for nothing. It wasn't a step up, it was a leap off a cliff from perfection to imperfection.Yes, how dare they have free will. Because they had Free Will, God decided to:Make them mortalExperience sickness and sufferingCursed their children (and every child after them) to sinDamned them to HellForced women to experience the pain of childbirthand threw them out of paradise.Meanwhile the Devil is happy to take all the rejects, such as gay people, furries, and people with mental instabilities. I'm thinking I'd rather have a beer with the Devil than a jealous, angry, vengeful God who would wreck your shit.
Quote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 02:05:20 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?But we weren't ignorant or stupid. The only difference was, we weren't in sin.We had the freedom of choice, but we chose wrong. Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong, since they were told not to do it, but the gravity of what they had done didn't sink in until after the fact. They felt shame and hid from God because of it.You see it as "enlightenment" or realization, but this event isn't called "The fall of man" for nothing. It wasn't a step up, it was a leap off a cliff from perfection to imperfection.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?
Quote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.
They could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.
Then the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.
To Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return."
For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.
Quote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 07:52:49 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:32 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 02:05:20 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?But we weren't ignorant or stupid. The only difference was, we weren't in sin.We had the freedom of choice, but we chose wrong. Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong, since they were told not to do it, but the gravity of what they had done didn't sink in until after the fact. They felt shame and hid from God because of it.You see it as "enlightenment" or realization, but this event isn't called "The fall of man" for nothing. It wasn't a step up, it was a leap off a cliff from perfection to imperfection.Yes, how dare they have free will. Because they had Free Will, God decided to:Make them mortalExperience sickness and sufferingCursed their children (and every child after them) to sinDamned them to HellForced women to experience the pain of childbirthand threw them out of paradise.Meanwhile the Devil is happy to take all the rejects, such as gay people, furries, and people with mental instabilities. I'm thinking I'd rather have a beer with the Devil than a jealous, angry, vengeful God who would wreck your shit.This.
There was nothing essentially evil about the tree or the fruit of the tree. It is unlikely that eating the fruit truly gave Adam and Eve any further knowledge. It was the act of disobedience that opened Adam and Eve’s eyes to evil. Their sin of disobeying God brought sin and evil into the world and into their lives. Eating the fruit, as an act of disobedience against God, was what gave Adam and Eve knowledge of evil.
To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your fooduntil you return to the ground, since from it you were taken;for dust you are and to dust you will return.”
Quote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 04:20:00 PMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 07:52:49 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:32 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 02:05:20 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?But we weren't ignorant or stupid. The only difference was, we weren't in sin.We had the freedom of choice, but we chose wrong. Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong, since they were told not to do it, but the gravity of what they had done didn't sink in until after the fact. They felt shame and hid from God because of it.You see it as "enlightenment" or realization, but this event isn't called "The fall of man" for nothing. It wasn't a step up, it was a leap off a cliff from perfection to imperfection.Yes, how dare they have free will. Because they had Free Will, God decided to:Make them mortalExperience sickness and sufferingCursed their children (and every child after them) to sinDamned them to HellForced women to experience the pain of childbirthand threw them out of paradise.Meanwhile the Devil is happy to take all the rejects, such as gay people, furries, and people with mental instabilities. I'm thinking I'd rather have a beer with the Devil than a jealous, angry, vengeful God who would wreck your shit.This.Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThere was nothing essentially evil about the tree or the fruit of the tree. It is unlikely that eating the fruit truly gave Adam and Eve any further knowledge. It was the act of disobedience that opened Adam and Eve’s eyes to evil. Their sin of disobeying God brought sin and evil into the world and into their lives. Eating the fruit, as an act of disobedience against God, was what gave Adam and Eve knowledge of evil.Basically, sin is what caused all these bad things. God didn't curse everyone, they cursed themselves by bringing sin upon themselves. Genesis 3: 17-20Quote To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your fooduntil you return to the ground, since from it you were taken;for dust you are and to dust you will return.”All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 09:40:19 PMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 04:20:00 PMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 07:52:49 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:41:32 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 02:05:20 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 02:03:10 AMQuote from: Korra Valentine on January 08, 2015, 01:31:11 AMQuote from: Nick McIntyre on January 08, 2015, 01:29:28 AMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThey could eat of any tree, but the one bearing the knowlege of good and evil. That's it. One tree.That's one thing that always bugged me: Why was God such a fucking asshole as to put a tree like that in the middle of a field and tell Adam and Eve, "You better not touch that, that's the cookie jar. Keep your hands off of it."And then when they did, he fucking cast them out and cursed their descendants and the whole of Earth. Like an asshole.And literally make the one being that wanted to give you some cookies the most evil being in existence.Here's where perspective matters. God is good, and righteous. Sin, is the opposite of that: unrighteousness, darkness, evil. It defiles, it corrupts.So what does eating of the tree of knowledge do? Well that's the question. Genesis 3:7QuoteThen the eyes of both of them were opened, and they realized they were naked; so they sewed fig leaves together and made coverings for themselves.Sin comes into the picture, the very moment Adam and Eve eat of the tree. Eating of the tree didn't enlighten them, it corrupted them. They were perfect in every way, they would never work for food or die of old age. They eat of the apple, then suddenly......everything goes wrong. They are aware of their nakedness and feel shame, they hide from God whom they loved so much. And what does God do when He discovers this? The first thing He does is curse the serpent.Why curse it? Because God saw the serpent had destroyed the innocence of those He loved. And created a rift of sin, that divided them. Christ was the only way to bridge that divide.Here is what happens immediately after the cursing of the serpent:Genesis 3: 17-20QuoteTo Adam he said, "Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, 'You must not eat from it,' "Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life. It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field. By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return." All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience. Romans 6:23QuoteFor the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.So you rather remain ignorant and stupid instead of having knowledge and awareness of your own actions? Knowledge that make you like gods, knowledge that make you live independent from this god and to live your own life?But we weren't ignorant or stupid. The only difference was, we weren't in sin.We had the freedom of choice, but we chose wrong. Adam and Eve knew what they did was wrong, since they were told not to do it, but the gravity of what they had done didn't sink in until after the fact. They felt shame and hid from God because of it.You see it as "enlightenment" or realization, but this event isn't called "The fall of man" for nothing. It wasn't a step up, it was a leap off a cliff from perfection to imperfection.Yes, how dare they have free will. Because they had Free Will, God decided to:Make them mortalExperience sickness and sufferingCursed their children (and every child after them) to sinDamned them to HellForced women to experience the pain of childbirthand threw them out of paradise.Meanwhile the Devil is happy to take all the rejects, such as gay people, furries, and people with mental instabilities. I'm thinking I'd rather have a beer with the Devil than a jealous, angry, vengeful God who would wreck your shit.This.Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 12:22:35 AMThere was nothing essentially evil about the tree or the fruit of the tree. It is unlikely that eating the fruit truly gave Adam and Eve any further knowledge. It was the act of disobedience that opened Adam and Eve’s eyes to evil. Their sin of disobeying God brought sin and evil into the world and into their lives. Eating the fruit, as an act of disobedience against God, was what gave Adam and Eve knowledge of evil.Basically, sin is what caused all these bad things. God didn't curse everyone, they cursed themselves by bringing sin upon themselves. Genesis 3: 17-20Quote To Adam he said, “Because you listened to your wife and ate fruit from the tree about which I commanded you, ‘You must not eat from it,’“Cursed is the ground because of you; through painful toil you will eat food from it all the days of your life.18 It will produce thorns and thistles for you, and you will eat the plants of the field.19 By the sweat of your brow you will eat your fooduntil you return to the ground, since from it you were taken;for dust you are and to dust you will return.”All these results you see, they aren't God cursing them. "Cursed is the ground because of you".He is saying their actions caused this suffering they will now experience.But Yahweh is supposed to be omnipresent, he already knows that they would take from the tree. Yahweh is a dick with extra foreskin flapping in the wind.Not a god that would deserve worship in my book, if he were real.
Can God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 11:05:28 PMCan God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?God can do whatever is possible to be done. God can't do that which is actually impossible though. This is because true impossibility is not based on the amount of power one has, it is based on what is really possible. The truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power.
Quote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 11:49:53 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 11:05:28 PMCan God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?God can do whatever is possible to be done. God can't do that which is actually impossible though. This is because true impossibility is not based on the amount of power one has, it is based on what is really possible. The truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power.Boo, you missed the loophole! God makes a rock he cannot lift, then dwarfs its mass by becoming stronger in comparison! He retains omnipotence by being more powerful at a given time, not by a set number that can't be attained. It's more philosophy than religion, but I wanted to see how the rhetoric would compare.
Quote from: Prime Meridia on January 09, 2015, 02:51:47 PMQuote from: Rocketman287 on January 08, 2015, 11:49:53 PMQuote from: Prime Meridia on January 08, 2015, 11:05:28 PMCan God make a rock so heavy that even he cannot lift it?God can do whatever is possible to be done. God can't do that which is actually impossible though. This is because true impossibility is not based on the amount of power one has, it is based on what is really possible. The truly impossible is not made possible by adding more power.Boo, you missed the loophole! God makes a rock he cannot lift, then dwarfs its mass by becoming stronger in comparison! He retains omnipotence by being more powerful at a given time, not by a set number that can't be attained. It's more philosophy than religion, but I wanted to see how the rhetoric would compare.Oh, ok.Well philosophically I guess its an explorable idea. In regards to any religion, I don't think it really "matters".
Kinda on topic here, can I have a list of times Lucifer/Satan is mentioned in the Bible?
My questions are as follows:-How could Lucifer rebel against God, did angels have free will, wasn't that special for Humans?
-Is there anything that makes it impossible for Lucifer to actually still be an angel of God, with the purpose of tempting Humans away from God with the purpose of allowing them to become stronger from the trials, similar to the story of Job?
-Are angels explicitly explained anywhere, or are they like the Nephilim and we don't have any real good explanation?
Note: Revelations is silly to me, so if you could come up with something else that would be much better.
Yes, they do have free will and can sin. At least, some of them can. Others are what's known as 'elect' and cannot sin.
There is very little canon scripture dealing with it, and quite a bit of apocryphal information on them.
Job's an interesting case, because by some exegesis (analyzing text), the 'satan' screwing with Job wasn't Lucifer, it was just an angel (though I honestly think the conversation they had was largely allegorical). But yeah, Lucifer was still an angel, probably capable of going back to heaven until judgement day.
Revelation is awesome. One of my favorite books of the Bible. Imagine taking some uneducated guy from 40 AD and showing him the future, with all the technology and scenery that he couldn't even comprehend, followed by something even more difficult to imagine: the literal apocalypse. All the weird shit you read about is John struggling to make sense of it all.