Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AMQuote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 08:59:37 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:14:16 AMOf course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.There are quite a substantial amount of passages about violence and conquering, though.The sparse peaceful verses that do exist are only superseded by the violent ones, and that's only because the peaceful passages are referring to practising Muslims.Yeah, the Q'uran might not be the serial killing cookbook Trumpanzees make it out to be, but it's not inaccurate to say it's a heavily violent book.Well yeah, but so is every other Judaic religion's bookReligion as a whole and especially Abrahamic religions are hot garbage and need to go, but the way idiots assume that every Muslim is a terrorist because "muh violent book" is retarded as fuck. You can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.How many christians or jews do you see go blow themselves up?
Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 08:59:37 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:14:16 AMOf course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.There are quite a substantial amount of passages about violence and conquering, though.The sparse peaceful verses that do exist are only superseded by the violent ones, and that's only because the peaceful passages are referring to practising Muslims.Yeah, the Q'uran might not be the serial killing cookbook Trumpanzees make it out to be, but it's not inaccurate to say it's a heavily violent book.Well yeah, but so is every other Judaic religion's bookReligion as a whole and especially Abrahamic religions are hot garbage and need to go, but the way idiots assume that every Muslim is a terrorist because "muh violent book" is retarded as fuck. You can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 05:14:16 AMOf course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.There are quite a substantial amount of passages about violence and conquering, though.The sparse peaceful verses that do exist are only superseded by the violent ones, and that's only because the peaceful passages are referring to practising Muslims.Yeah, the Q'uran might not be the serial killing cookbook Trumpanzees make it out to be, but it's not inaccurate to say it's a heavily violent book.
Of course you don't, because you don't know the first thing about Islam and assume the Quran just says "kill whities and rape women" for hundreds of pages and then ends.
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AMYou can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.Well yeah, but they're not as prevalent.It's all very good saying religion is shit and that they're all equally violent faiths (which is incorrect), but the fact of the matter is Islam is the slowest kid in the class when it comes to reconciliation of faith with the values of western society.ISIS and various other Islamic terrorist organisations take the most extremist interpretations of the text that the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to, yes, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate interpretations.The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?
You can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.
And why do you think these regions are destabilized? You idiots act like there's some fringe terrorist groups and everybody else is normal when they're a large amount of Muslims too big to call a minority are for all sorts of barbaric things.
We do know about it. Religious minorities are highly persecuted in Muslim countries.
The fact that so many Muslim terrorist organizations exist is us knowing about it.
The fact that women are discouraged or sometimes even outright banned from participating in society is us knowing about it.
And why do you think these regions are destabilized?
You idiots act like there's some fringe terrorist groups and everybody else is normal when they're a large amount of Muslims too big to call a minority are for all sorts of barbaric things.
The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?
Primarily due to centuries of invasion and warfare by competing foreign powers such as the US and USSR. Same reason so much of Africa is fucked up. Or are we working off of the "imperialism and colonialism were actually good things and the fact that the Belgians exterminated half of the Congo while using them for slave labor is a positive and/or never happened" sort of logic, here?
Religion as a whole and especially Abrahamic religions are hot garbage and need to go
At some point a nation needs to be held responsible for its own ugly history.
Lots of Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East is still dealing with the fact that a lot of the internal bits of the countries hate the shit out of each other because some bastards with big guns and boats drew lines on a map and went "yup, that's a country, now."
More like the countries are falling apart because local warlords who don't give a shit about the past or current politics just want power and money and then start civil wars to undermine the current authority. In which case, your only options are either to get involved because you feel letting innocent people get caught up in something like that is unethical and deal with consequences of outside involvement, or do nothing and let the country eat itself alive while begging for outside help for the innocents. Either way you're fucked. Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 11:17:26 AMLots of Africa, South Asia, and the Middle East is still dealing with the fact that a lot of the internal bits of the countries hate the shit out of each other because some bastards with big guns and boats drew lines on a map and went "yup, that's a country, now."
It does look funny that there are borders that look like they were drawn with a ruler. There should be Kurdistan.
Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 09:27:10 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AMYou can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.Well yeah, but they're not as prevalent.It's all very good saying religion is shit and that they're all equally violent faiths (which is incorrect), but the fact of the matter is Islam is the slowest kid in the class when it comes to reconciliation of faith with the values of western society.ISIS and various other Islamic terrorist organisations take the most extremist interpretations of the text that the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to, yes, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate interpretations.The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?Yes but Christianity and Judaism also aren't the majority religion of pretty much the most unstable areas of the entire world.Religion is a factor, but it's not the only factor.Muslims make up about a forth of the entire world's population. If Islam was as radicalizing and horrific as people like to say that it is, we'd know.
Quote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 01:10:29 PMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:38:52 AMQuote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 09:27:10 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AMYou can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.Well yeah, but they're not as prevalent.It's all very good saying religion is shit and that they're all equally violent faiths (which is incorrect), but the fact of the matter is Islam is the slowest kid in the class when it comes to reconciliation of faith with the values of western society.ISIS and various other Islamic terrorist organisations take the most extremist interpretations of the text that the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to, yes, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate interpretations.The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?Yes but Christianity and Judaism also aren't the majority religion of pretty much the most unstable areas of the entire world.Religion is a factor, but it's not the only factor.Muslims make up about a forth of the entire world's population. If Islam was as radicalizing and horrific as people like to say that it is, we'd know.See, if you're going to posit the "destabilisation" argument you also need to explain why ISIS and other extremist groups existed before 9/11 and before the invasion of Iraq.You also need to explain why Islamic immigration produces more problems in developed societies than Christian and Jewish immigration does. Malmö and London, cities which you and I both know aren't exactly poverty stricken shit holes, have seen a rapid increase in homophobic opinions and anti-Semitic behaviour. Have the Swedes and the English suddenly become fervent bigots over the space of a couple years? Or is it more likely that insular Muslim communities have grown larger and more ghettoised?Nobody is contesting the fact that destabilisation has produced more harm than good in the Middle East, but that's not what we're trying to discuss here, so I'm not entirely sure why you keep bringing it up. We're talking about the social cohesiveness of Muslim populations and the lack thereof, largely due to the values they espouse that originate from the texts of the religion.Well the CIA and MI5 were conducting operations in the ME as early as the 1940's if not earlier. It's not really an excuse for people to form terrorist groups though.
Quote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:38:52 AMQuote from: The Hidden Gabber on May 26, 2017, 09:27:10 AMQuote from: Cindy on May 26, 2017, 09:15:57 AMYou can find shit equally as bad if not worse in the Torah and New Testament as you can in the Quran.Well yeah, but they're not as prevalent.It's all very good saying religion is shit and that they're all equally violent faiths (which is incorrect), but the fact of the matter is Islam is the slowest kid in the class when it comes to reconciliation of faith with the values of western society.ISIS and various other Islamic terrorist organisations take the most extremist interpretations of the text that the majority of Muslims do not subscribe to, yes, but that doesn't mean they're not legitimate interpretations.The "what about X religion as well!" is such a cop out argument. Yeah, Christianity and Judaism contain a slew of disgusting passages, but Christian and Jewish terrorism is not the primary concern right now, is it?Yes but Christianity and Judaism also aren't the majority religion of pretty much the most unstable areas of the entire world.Religion is a factor, but it's not the only factor.Muslims make up about a forth of the entire world's population. If Islam was as radicalizing and horrific as people like to say that it is, we'd know.See, if you're going to posit the "destabilisation" argument you also need to explain why ISIS and other extremist groups existed before 9/11 and before the invasion of Iraq.You also need to explain why Islamic immigration produces more problems in developed societies than Christian and Jewish immigration does. Malmö and London, cities which you and I both know aren't exactly poverty stricken shit holes, have seen a rapid increase in homophobic opinions and anti-Semitic behaviour. Have the Swedes and the English suddenly become fervent bigots over the space of a couple years? Or is it more likely that insular Muslim communities have grown larger and more ghettoised?Nobody is contesting the fact that destabilisation has produced more harm than good in the Middle East, but that's not what we're trying to discuss here, so I'm not entirely sure why you keep bringing it up. We're talking about the social cohesiveness of Muslim populations and the lack thereof, largely due to the values they espouse that originate from the texts of the religion.
I heard one of the CIA's operations didn't fly so good.
Otherwise Afghanistan was very rapidly progressing and recovering after the Soviet invasion and there was very little hatred for America and the west in general.
Thr country was stabilizing with Ahmad Shah Massoud until he was assassinated and the Taliban took almost completely over. The Taliban weren't welcome they were always a splinter group of the mojahedin and viewed as extremists. Shortly after his death America and NATO invaded.
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