NATO intervened to protect civilians, not to set up a democracyAs stated in the UN Security Council resolution authorizing force in Libya, the goal of intervention was "to protect civilians and civilian populated areas under threat of attack." And this is what was achieved.
Exactly. It's not NATO's fault they didn't set up a democracy themselves after overthrowing a dictator. And therein lies the problem with Arab and Muslim society.
How about we just let other countries take care of themselves? The US, specifically, needs to mind its own business.
Helping people is nice. But at some point you need to help yourself first. Not dig yourself deeper by trying to help everyone else. There are lots of countries that don't get involved very much, or as much as the US. Canada, Sweden, etc... In fact, I'll go as far as to say this. The last war we should have been a part of was WW2. That's the only one that's justifiable.
The last war we should have been a part of was WW2. That's the only one that's justifiable.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 02:15:55 PMThe last war we should have been a part of was WW2. That's the only one that's justifiable.LMAOOOOOOOOOOO
Quote from: SecondClass on April 13, 2016, 05:00:11 PMQuote from: challengerX on April 13, 2016, 03:25:41 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 02:15:55 PMThe last war we should have been a part of was WW2. That's the only one that's justifiable.LMAOOOOOOOOOOOI'd add Afghanistan to that list, but he's 100% right otherwise.Korea? LolVietnam? LOLGulf War? We should've left Saddam alone.Iraq? Same deal as above.LOLOL
Quote from: challengerX on April 13, 2016, 03:25:41 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 02:15:55 PMThe last war we should have been a part of was WW2. That's the only one that's justifiable.LMAOOOOOOOOOOOI'd add Afghanistan to that list, but he's 100% right otherwise.Korea? LolVietnam? LOLGulf War? We should've left Saddam alone.Iraq? Same deal as above.
There's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam.
Both in Korea and Vietnam, the last thing the people wanted was for us to leave. We backed the bad guy in Vietnam? Tell that to the screaming families who were toppling over each other for our helicopters to leave their own country when we pulled out. The reasoning and ideologies behind both Korea and Vietnam was more calm than WWII, but it's an objective fact that countries living under a communistic rule are in a far worse condition, and the people of both countries absolutely did not want to be in those conditions. The world saw what happened to Germany, and how it affected the lives there, and there shouldn't be an argument on trying to prevent that from happening again. Unfortunately it did happen again, because such vehement protesters never saw such struggles, and people today of course wouldn't know these struggles at all. Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:14 PMThere's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:59:25 PMQuote from: Ian on April 13, 2016, 06:52:44 PMBoth in Korea and Vietnam, the last thing the people wanted was for us to leave. We backed the bad guy in Vietnam? Tell that to the screaming families who were toppling over each other for our helicopters to leave their own country when we pulled out. The reasoning and ideologies behind both Korea and Vietnam was more calm than WWII, but it's an objective fact that countries living under a communistic rule are in a far worse condition, and the people of both countries absolutely did not want to be in those conditions. The world saw what happened to Germany, and how it affected the lives there, and there shouldn't be an argument on trying to prevent that from happening again. Unfortunately it did happen again, because such vehement protesters never saw such struggles, and people today of course wouldn't know these struggles at all. Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:14 PMThere's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam. No doubt. Neither were good. But we picked the worst one just because the other was communist. I can't remember it all, haven't been in school for awhile. I don't know those struggles, of course not. I hope I never do. My point still stands though. We should not, especially now, waste time, money, and resources on other countries.We are only as healthy and strong as we are because we dominate other countries.
Quote from: Ian on April 13, 2016, 06:52:44 PMBoth in Korea and Vietnam, the last thing the people wanted was for us to leave. We backed the bad guy in Vietnam? Tell that to the screaming families who were toppling over each other for our helicopters to leave their own country when we pulled out. The reasoning and ideologies behind both Korea and Vietnam was more calm than WWII, but it's an objective fact that countries living under a communistic rule are in a far worse condition, and the people of both countries absolutely did not want to be in those conditions. The world saw what happened to Germany, and how it affected the lives there, and there shouldn't be an argument on trying to prevent that from happening again. Unfortunately it did happen again, because such vehement protesters never saw such struggles, and people today of course wouldn't know these struggles at all. Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:14 PMThere's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam. No doubt. Neither were good. But we picked the worst one just because the other was communist. I can't remember it all, haven't been in school for awhile. I don't know those struggles, of course not. I hope I never do. My point still stands though. We should not, especially now, waste time, money, and resources on other countries.
Quote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:55:42 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:59:25 PMQuote from: Ian on April 13, 2016, 06:52:44 PMBoth in Korea and Vietnam, the last thing the people wanted was for us to leave. We backed the bad guy in Vietnam? Tell that to the screaming families who were toppling over each other for our helicopters to leave their own country when we pulled out. The reasoning and ideologies behind both Korea and Vietnam was more calm than WWII, but it's an objective fact that countries living under a communistic rule are in a far worse condition, and the people of both countries absolutely did not want to be in those conditions. The world saw what happened to Germany, and how it affected the lives there, and there shouldn't be an argument on trying to prevent that from happening again. Unfortunately it did happen again, because such vehement protesters never saw such struggles, and people today of course wouldn't know these struggles at all. Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:14 PMThere's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam. No doubt. Neither were good. But we picked the worst one just because the other was communist. I can't remember it all, haven't been in school for awhile. I don't know those struggles, of course not. I hope I never do. My point still stands though. We should not, especially now, waste time, money, and resources on other countries.We are only as healthy and strong as we are because we dominate other countries.We were doing well before WW1 or WW2. We don't need to "dominate" other countries to be healthy and strong.
Quote from: Josh55886 on April 14, 2016, 07:16:01 PMQuote from: Jeremiah Johnson on April 13, 2016, 11:55:42 PMQuote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:59:25 PMQuote from: Ian on April 13, 2016, 06:52:44 PMBoth in Korea and Vietnam, the last thing the people wanted was for us to leave. We backed the bad guy in Vietnam? Tell that to the screaming families who were toppling over each other for our helicopters to leave their own country when we pulled out. The reasoning and ideologies behind both Korea and Vietnam was more calm than WWII, but it's an objective fact that countries living under a communistic rule are in a far worse condition, and the people of both countries absolutely did not want to be in those conditions. The world saw what happened to Germany, and how it affected the lives there, and there shouldn't be an argument on trying to prevent that from happening again. Unfortunately it did happen again, because such vehement protesters never saw such struggles, and people today of course wouldn't know these struggles at all. Quote from: Josh55886 on April 13, 2016, 06:47:14 PMThere's no reason we should have been in any of the others like Korea or Vietnam. Heck, we backed the bad guy in Vietnam. No doubt. Neither were good. But we picked the worst one just because the other was communist. I can't remember it all, haven't been in school for awhile. I don't know those struggles, of course not. I hope I never do. My point still stands though. We should not, especially now, waste time, money, and resources on other countries.We are only as healthy and strong as we are because we dominate other countries.We were doing well before WW1 or WW2. We don't need to "dominate" other countries to be healthy and strong.But that's literally what 1800's America did.
Everyone says the Libya intervention was a failure. They’re wrong.
