because "hurr durr you can already kill yourself it's called a gun/noose/overdose/etc."

but no it definitely should be legal without question

People will always make up hypotheticals of people being coerced into it but tbh we need to reevaluate if a situation where someone who didn't want to dies is actually worse than someone being forced to live when it is completely agonizing for them.

the sort of terror one would experience before being unwillingly euthanized is not something i'd wish on an innocent. i'd rather see someone who wanted to die be forced to live personally, but generally i agree that euthanization/suicide should be legal.

Quote from: Tsirist on October 01, 2015, 12:29:18 AM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 01, 2015, 12:18:55 AM

People will always make up hypotheticals of people being coerced into it but tbh we need to reevaluate if a situation where someone who didn't want to dies is actually worse than someone being forced to live when it is completely agonizing for them.

the sort of terror one would experience before being unwillingly euthanized is not something i'd wish on an innocent. i'd rather see someone who wanted to die be forced to live personally, but generally i agree that euthanization/suicide should be legal.

for someone to be coerced into it they have to be tolerant of the idea to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't advocate it well to a doctor

i was just addressing your point, not the probability/extent to which that would be a prolific issue. like i said, i'm all for euthanasia, but fuck being killed without your consent. what if you were mentally ill and your parents had the final say and you weren't able to effectively communicate? idk now i guess i'm making up hypotheticals but i don't take that sort of scenario as lightly as you do i guess

Quote from: eggsalad on October 01, 2015, 12:37:26 AM

Quote from: Tsirist on October 01, 2015, 12:29:18 AM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 01, 2015, 12:18:55 AM

People will always make up hypotheticals of people being coerced into it but tbh we need to reevaluate if a situation where someone who didn't want to dies is actually worse than someone being forced to live when it is completely agonizing for them.

the sort of terror one would experience before being unwillingly euthanized is not something i'd wish on an innocent. i'd rather see someone who wanted to die be forced to live personally, but generally i agree that euthanization/suicide should be legal.

for someone to be coerced into it they have to be tolerant of the idea to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't advocate it well to a doctor

i was just addressing your point, not the probability/extent to which that would be a prolific issue. like i said, i'm all for euthanasia, but fuck being killed without your consent. what if you were mentally ill and your parents had the final say and you weren't able to effectively communicate? idk now i guess i'm making up hypotheticals but i don't take that sort of scenario as lightly as you do i guess

I think the primary issue is that those are issues that are self resolved rather quickly :^).

Still though do you honestly think it is fair to force your perspective of "all life is worth living" on the most powerless and tortured people in society?

then why are we not allowed to end their suffering? It's not murder, it's a fucking mercy killing.

Are you talking about consenting euthanasia, or non-consenting? Because it sounds like the latter.

Quote from: Tsirist on October 01, 2015, 12:43:59 AM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 01, 2015, 12:37:26 AM

Quote from: Tsirist on October 01, 2015, 12:29:18 AM

Quote from: eggsalad on October 01, 2015, 12:18:55 AM

People will always make up hypotheticals of people being coerced into it but tbh we need to reevaluate if a situation where someone who didn't want to dies is actually worse than someone being forced to live when it is completely agonizing for them.

the sort of terror one would experience before being unwillingly euthanized is not something i'd wish on an innocent. i'd rather see someone who wanted to die be forced to live personally, but generally i agree that euthanization/suicide should be legal.

for someone to be coerced into it they have to be tolerant of the idea to some degree, otherwise they wouldn't advocate it well to a doctor

i was just addressing your point, not the probability/extent to which that would be a prolific issue. like i said, i'm all for euthanasia, but fuck being killed without your consent. what if you were mentally ill and your parents had the final say and you weren't able to effectively communicate? idk now i guess i'm making up hypotheticals but i don't take that sort of scenario as lightly as you do i guess

I think the primary issue is that those are issues that are self resolved rather quickly :^).

Still though do you honestly think it is fair to force your perspective of "all life is worth living" on the most powerless and tortured people in society?

Not through death, which is itself the problem in such a case from my perspective. Again, death having metaphysical implications, I would prefer not to assume that we can understand it from a human perspective. For this reason I think it would be incredibly inhumane to kill someone whose life was otherwise happy and ready to go on.

And tbh yeah I think I'm fine forcing it on those who do not want to live. To use a human perspective, we have all had to wait on things we've wanted in life, be those traditional goals/desires or death. Those people will have their deaths eventually, as will we all. I have no problem making them wait longer for the sake of others.

I'm still for euthanasia though, just with appropriate checks for safety.