Quote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:04:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:03:25 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?And where the fuck did I say that?Well your response had nothing to do with taxpayer subsidized public education, so I'm trying to figure out how it's linked to what we're talking about.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:03:25 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?And where the fuck did I say that?
Quote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.
Not everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.
Quote from: Meta Cognition on February 27, 2016, 07:44:56 AMExpel immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally.QuoteProposed by Trump. Rating: Bad (22 bad). The fuck? They're here illegally.
Expel immigrants who are in the U.S. illegally.QuoteProposed by Trump. Rating: Bad (22 bad).
Proposed by Trump. Rating: Bad (22 bad).
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:56:58 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:55:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.So your level of education is entirely unrelated to prospective employers? If you've spent 5 minutes looking for a job you'd know that's a lie.Okay so strawman aside, the original proposition that was posited was free tuition, with the vast majority of experts concluding that it is indeed, bad. When someone who has extensively studied a field that is telling you that a certain course of action is a bad idea, perhaps you should actually listen to what they're saying and not label it "a benefit".
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:55:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.So your level of education is entirely unrelated to prospective employers? If you've spent 5 minutes looking for a job you'd know that's a lie.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.
I like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:06:19 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:04:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:03:25 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?And where the fuck did I say that?Well your response had nothing to do with taxpayer subsidized public education, so I'm trying to figure out how it's linked to what we're talking about.Because the problem that we have with colleges and tuition costs isn't entirely unrelated to education as a whole in America?The entire system needs to be overhauled. Not just say "Hey, make college free"
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:03:20 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:56:58 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:55:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.So your level of education is entirely unrelated to prospective employers? If you've spent 5 minutes looking for a job you'd know that's a lie.Okay so strawman aside, the original proposition that was posited was free tuition, with the vast majority of experts concluding that it is indeed, bad. When someone who has extensively studied a field that is telling you that a certain course of action is a bad idea, perhaps you should actually listen to what they're saying and not label it "a benefit".Except it's a bad idea because it would mean banks, schools, and government can no longer fuck over people and rake in tones of money. It's a bad decision economically because they won't bring in as much money to pad their administrator's pockets.
Quote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:07:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:06:19 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:04:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:03:25 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?And where the fuck did I say that?Well your response had nothing to do with taxpayer subsidized public education, so I'm trying to figure out how it's linked to what we're talking about.Because the problem that we have with colleges and tuition costs isn't entirely unrelated to education as a whole in America?The entire system needs to be overhauled. Not just say "Hey, make college free"Well any overhauling or increased funding will require higher taxes, even if we ignore college for the time being.
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:03:20 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:56:58 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:55:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.So your level of education is entirely unrelated to prospective employers? If you've spent 5 minutes looking for a job you'd know that's a lie.Okay so strawman aside, the original proposition that was posited was free tuition, with the vast majority of experts concluding that it is indeed, bad. When someone who has extensively studied a field that is telling you that a certain course of action is a bad idea, perhaps you should actually listen to what they're saying and not label it "a benefit".https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-authority
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:09:56 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:07:31 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:06:19 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:04:12 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:03:25 PMQuote from: Icy on February 27, 2016, 03:00:33 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:55:58 PMNot everything needs to operate like a business. Our educations shouldn't hinge on who can afford it, nor should it exploit those who cannot.No, but our education institutions - from pre-K through college - should be well funded and ensure the best care.How it's being run now isn't doing that.So we should continue the practice of charging exorbitant amounts for education, causing millions of young people to begin their adult lives under a mountain of debt, until...whatever is wrong with our education system is fixed?And where the fuck did I say that?Well your response had nothing to do with taxpayer subsidized public education, so I'm trying to figure out how it's linked to what we're talking about.Because the problem that we have with colleges and tuition costs isn't entirely unrelated to education as a whole in America?The entire system needs to be overhauled. Not just say "Hey, make college free"Well any overhauling or increased funding will require higher taxes, even if we ignore college for the time being.Not entirely.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:05:41 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:03:20 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:56:58 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:55:11 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:53:13 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 02:52:36 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 02:49:52 PMI like how anything proposed by Sanders that would actually benefit Americans in a real way was met with "bad"The term 'benefit' being completely subjective of course.When you're better educated, you can get better jobs. This is not subjective.An overwhelming majority of economists who are more educated on this topic than you disagree. So yeah, it kind of is.So your level of education is entirely unrelated to prospective employers? If you've spent 5 minutes looking for a job you'd know that's a lie.Okay so strawman aside, the original proposition that was posited was free tuition, with the vast majority of experts concluding that it is indeed, bad. When someone who has extensively studied a field that is telling you that a certain course of action is a bad idea, perhaps you should actually listen to what they're saying and not label it "a benefit".Except it's a bad idea because it would mean banks, schools, and government can no longer fuck over people and rake in tones of money. It's a bad decision economically because they won't bring in as much money to pad their administrator's pockets.This is the serious board. Conspiratorial arguments aren't welcome here.
Smoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.
Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:19:10 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.And how exactly do you think we arrived at that conclusion then?Oh yeah, medical and scientific experts telling us so.
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:20:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:19:10 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.And how exactly do you think we arrived at that conclusion then?Oh yeah, medical and scientific experts telling us so.Not because they told us, but because of the research behind it.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:21:07 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:20:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:19:10 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.And how exactly do you think we arrived at that conclusion then?Oh yeah, medical and scientific experts telling us so.Not because they told us, but because of the research behind it.And what makes you think these economists haven't conducted research of their own either?
Quote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:22:13 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:21:07 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:20:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:19:10 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.And how exactly do you think we arrived at that conclusion then?Oh yeah, medical and scientific experts telling us so.Not because they told us, but because of the research behind it.And what makes you think these economists haven't conducted research of their own either?Well different economists have reached different conclusions, so it's not exactly cut and dry.
Quote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:24:04 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:22:13 PMQuote from: Mad Max on February 27, 2016, 03:21:07 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:20:40 PMQuote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:19:10 PMQuote from: Mordo on February 27, 2016, 03:13:45 PMSmoking is bad and the majority of medical experts can corroborate with that claim. Must be an appeal to authority fallacy too going by this shit logic.If you're arguing that smoking is bad BECAUSE medical experts all agree, then yes, that's fallacious.Smoking is bad because it's physiologically harmful and addictive. Not because people deem it so.And how exactly do you think we arrived at that conclusion then?Oh yeah, medical and scientific experts telling us so.Not because they told us, but because of the research behind it.And what makes you think these economists haven't conducted research of their own either?Well different economists have reached different conclusions, so it's not exactly cut and dry.All of one economists thought that Sanders plan was a good idea.
woo boy, 20 sure is an enormous sample size
Quote from: Verbatim on February 27, 2016, 03:28:31 PMwoo boy, 20 sure is an enormous sample sizeSo you think if there were a larger number of economists that the results would be different?
Well different economists have reached different conclusions, so it's not exactly cut and dry.
To be 100% honest? Yes I would gladly pay that if we can kick out all illegals.
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