Does Size Matter?

Kitsune 狐 · September 29, 2016, 01:00:09 PM

Or rather should it matter?

I came across this article claims that the amount of populous present at a candidate's rally does not reflect their support in votes. Which to a point makes sense because not everyone who goes to rallies may vote.

Now my question to you is: How can they be nearly tied? Hillary's crowds are being constantly scrutinized for using a green screen at her rallies, because her rally outcomes have been so low (some think it's due to her health... but that's a whole different topic of it's own). Whereas Trump has been filling stadiums with thousands of more people outside who were not able to get in. How does that not vocalize what voters want? Does size matter? I think it should.

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Verbatim · September 29, 2016, 01:05:54 PM

Even I would go to a Trump rally. It's just fun to hear him pontificate about dumb bullshit.

I'd imagine most people are there for the same reason.

Kitsune 狐 · September 29, 2016, 01:06:45 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 29, 2016, 01:05:54 PM

Even I would go to a Trump rally. It's just fun to hear him pontificate about dumb bullshit.

I'd imagine most people are there for the same reason.

Then why are they not going to Hillary's rallies?

Flee · September 29, 2016, 01:13:12 PM

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Verbatim · September 29, 2016, 01:13:29 PM

Quote from: Kits on September 29, 2016, 01:06:45 PM

Then why are they not going to Hillary's rallies?

I can only say why I wouldn't personally go to a Hillary rally: Because she's rather boring to listen to, and I already know I'm voting for her.

I mean, I'm not voting for her, but you know what I mean. Trump supporters might have it in their head that attending his rallies will somehow secure his victory, when in reality, they were supporting Trump anyway--so nothing changes.

Meanwhile, Hillary's supporters are already confident enough that she will win regardless of whether they attend her rallies. Just the way I see it, I could be wrong.

Alternative Facts · September 29, 2016, 01:15:02 PM

Do you want me to post the super long, intellectual response? Or would you prefer the summarized "This is why this post is dumb" response?

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · September 29, 2016, 01:22:53 PM

trump's rallies look fun as hell tbh

big sponge · September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM

Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Casper · September 29, 2016, 02:08:05 PM

I don't think it necessarily speaks for how many supporters each candidate has, but I do think the representation has some merit. Especially when you consider the stigma for being a Trump supporter, and even being physically threatened an attacked, that that many people still show up, yet Hillary's crowds look more like a nursing home gathering. It might show more that Trump's supporters are more passionate about him and this election, or that more people genuinely like him. Because from what I've seen personally and what others have commented, it doesn't seem like people really like Hillary, they're just misinformed and/or unthinking anti-Trumpers because of.. what? False assumptions more often than not.

As to how they're tied, I honestly have no idea. Polls vary wildly, and trust in the media is at an all-time low, so it's becoming difficult to trust most polls. And when you throw in how low the trust in Hillary is, it makes, well at least me, skeptical whenever data shows Hillary with a wide lead. My guess as to how she's doing so well is again tied to misinformation on both parts, or worse, people willingly, or not, turning a blind eye to just how much Hillary has done wrong, like saying all women with rape allegations deserve to be heard, unless its against her husband; having a hand in the American deaths in Benghazi; creating a power vacuum in the middle east be having Gaddafi taken out; voting for the war in Iraq (which people like to over look and call Trump a warmonger); being extremely careless with national security; conniving with the DNC against Bernie; the list goes on, and somehow people turn a blind eye to all of the that because... Trump's racist? No, the DNC referred to the hispanics as "Taco Bowls". Because he's mean? The truth doesn't care about your feelings. He was obsessed over Obama's birther? Well that's kind of important to be president, he did the same with Cruz, and Hillary started the "birtherism". Honestly, I couldn't tell how they're nearly tied. Other than accounting for illegal votes from voter fraud and illegal immigrants, which lets be honest, the left only cares about the third-world illegals because the overwhelmingly vote left.

challengerX · September 29, 2016, 02:34:40 PM

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Verbatim · September 29, 2016, 02:35:21 PM

Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2016, 02:34:40 PM

Wait does OP unironically support Trump?

She does.

gats · September 29, 2016, 02:39:04 PM

Trump is an idiot, it says a lot about his voters.

Flee · September 29, 2016, 02:45:59 PM

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Jono · September 29, 2016, 03:42:40 PM

This is the Serious board

challengerX · September 29, 2016, 03:46:03 PM

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Flee · September 29, 2016, 03:56:29 PM

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Verbatim · September 29, 2016, 03:57:42 PM

Quote from: Flee on September 29, 2016, 03:56:29 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 29, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
Wait does OP unironically support Trump?
She does.
Wait, seriously?

I mean, I'm pretty sure. She's been banging on about him all year without a hint of irony.

nͫiͤcͫeͤ · September 29, 2016, 04:10:21 PM

Quote from: Verbatim on September 29, 2016, 03:57:42 PM

Quote from: Flee on September 29, 2016, 03:56:29 PM
Quote from: Verbatim on September 29, 2016, 02:35:21 PM
Quote from: challengerX on September 29, 2016, 02:34:40 PM
Wait does OP unironically support Trump?
She does.
Wait, seriously?
I mean, I'm pretty sure. She's been banging on about him all year without a hint of irony.

wtf im #mentallyhill now

Luciana · September 29, 2016, 06:47:36 PM

Quote from: Flee on September 29, 2016, 02:45:59 PM

Quote from: gats on September 29, 2016, 02:39:04 PM
Trump is an idiot, it says a lot about his voters.
I'm inclined to agree. Even with the mess that is Brexit, I could still see why some people would support it. But Trump? How anyone sane of mind can support him is just beyond me.

A lot of people support Trump simply because they detest everything about Hillary. To them (and partly to me), she represents everything wrong with the US government, from corruption, to being the privileged class (no FBI indictment), to other various things we've all heard time and time again.

They'd rather see an incompetent man in office for 4 years try and shake things up, than the same things over and over and over that have helped get us in the mess we are in the first place. They also want someone who's a bit more tough on foreign policy, considering it's one of Obama's main faults. Am I saying he'd do better? No, but they want someone who seems far tougher (like calling out the Saudi or whatever Prince, which was hilarious btw) and willing to take a stand, than a president who continues to seem to be pushed around by other world leaders.

Now that's not to say I support the Donald. I just understand where people are coming from. It's not that they support Trump, it's that they hate Clinton so much, they won't side with her. This election isn't about who you support the most. It's about who you hate the least.

Mattie G Indahouse · September 30, 2016, 06:02:17 AM

I see the OP's avatar is an accurate depiction of a Trump supporter.

More Than Mortal · September 30, 2016, 06:06:19 AM

Quote from: Flee on September 29, 2016, 02:45:59 PM

Even with the mess that is Brexit

REMOVE MAYO KEBAB

Kitsune 狐 · September 30, 2016, 01:42:38 PM

Quote from: Casper on September 29, 2016, 02:08:05 PM

I don't think it necessarily speaks for how many supporters each candidate has, but I do think the representation has some merit. Especially when you consider the stigma for being a Trump supporter, and even being physically threatened an attacked, that that many people still show up, yet Hillary's crowds look more like a nursing home gathering. It might show more that Trump's supporters are more passionate about him and this election, or that more people genuinely like him. Because from what I've seen personally and what others have commented, it doesn't seem like people really like Hillary, they're just misinformed and/or unthinking anti-Trumpers because of.. what? False assumptions more often than not.

As to how they're tied, I honestly have no idea. Polls vary wildly, and trust in the media is at an all-time low, so it's becoming difficult to trust most polls. And when you throw in how low the trust in Hillary is, it makes, well at least me, skeptical whenever data shows Hillary with a wide lead. My guess as to how she's doing so well is again tied to misinformation on both parts, or worse, people willingly, or not, turning a blind eye to just how much Hillary has done wrong, like saying all women with rape allegations deserve to be heard, unless its against her husband; having a hand in the American deaths in Benghazi; creating a power vacuum in the middle east be having Gaddafi taken out; voting for the war in Iraq (which people like to over look and call Trump a warmonger); being extremely careless with national security; conniving with the DNC against Bernie; the list goes on, and somehow people turn a blind eye to all of the that because... Trump's racist? No, the DNC referred to the hispanics as "Taco Bowls". Because he's mean? The truth doesn't care about your feelings. He was obsessed over Obama's birther? Well that's kind of important to be president, he did the same with Cruz, and Hillary started the "birtherism". Honestly, I couldn't tell how they're nearly tied. Other than accounting for illegal votes from voter fraud and illegal immigrants, which lets be honest, the left only cares about the third-world illegals because the overwhelmingly vote left.

Thank you.

Kitsune 狐 · September 30, 2016, 01:43:12 PM

Quote from: LC on September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM

Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Not that she's being green screened rather the crowd is.

big sponge · September 30, 2016, 01:47:33 PM

Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:43:12 PM

Quote from: LC on September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Not that she's being green screened rather the crowd is.

an equally ridiculous notion

Kitsune 狐 · September 30, 2016, 01:50:58 PM

Quote from: LC on September 30, 2016, 01:47:33 PM

Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: LC on September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Not that she's being green screened rather the crowd is.

an equally ridiculous notion

Really? Why? If you look at all the cell phones in the front of the crowd there are big things missing from the screens like the American flag and Hillary. Some screens show different rooms entirely.

Casper · September 30, 2016, 02:00:01 PM

Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:50:58 PM

Quote from: LC on September 30, 2016, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: LC on September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Not that she's being green screened rather the crowd is.

an equally ridiculous notion

Really? Why? If you look at all the cell phones in the front of the crowd there are big things missing from the screens like the American flag and Hillary. Some screens show different rooms entirely.

This more or less explains it.

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big sponge · September 30, 2016, 02:05:55 PM

Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:50:58 PM

Quote from: LC on September 30, 2016, 01:47:33 PM
Quote from: Kits on September 30, 2016, 01:43:12 PM
Quote from: LC on September 29, 2016, 01:41:25 PM
Are you referring to that info wars conspiracy theory about hillary being a hologram with your comment about the green screen? Because that's been completely debunked as nothing more than an illusion created by a combination of the cameras position, the lens being used (both on the camera and on the phones of the people in the crowd), and the high compression of the data being sent via satellite back to the studio.

Not that she's being green screened rather the crowd is.

an equally ridiculous notion

Really? Why? If you look at all the cell phones in the front of the crowd there are big things missing from the screens like the American flag and Hillary. Some screens show different rooms entirely.

so you are talking about the same thing i am

it has to do with the lens used on both the camera and the cellphones

the camera is using a telephoto lens which focuses on a very narrow area and compresses the foreground into the background

the cellphones however are using a wide angle lens so the foreground and background are not being compressed into eachother

this creates the illusion that the two cameras are viewing different rooms entirely

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Korra · October 03, 2016, 02:11:09 AM

Make American great again.