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Personally I always felt that since I'm here now and not having a sensory experience of any kind would literally be unnoticeable, then whatever led to me being here now could very well happen again given an infinite expanse of possibilities metaphysically.
Quote from: Tsirist on October 12, 2015, 07:03:20 PMPersonally I always felt that since I'm here now and not having a sensory experience of any kind would literally be unnoticeable, then whatever led to me being here now could very well happen again given an infinite expanse of possibilities metaphysically.That which explains everything explains nothing. Basing beliefs on vagueness like that is dogmatic, at best.
I have no reason to believe in an afterlife.I have no reason to believe that I'll return to this world as a different person.I have no reason to believe in a soul. Some people say that such thinking makes life meaningless. I disagree. This is the only existence I get. That makes it all the more precious.
No.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.
Quote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious.
Quote from: Winy on October 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious.Can you designate the key part of you that "causes" you to experience things at all? Humans are just machines, the curious part is that we somehow inhabit and see out of one of these machines (or at least, I do, as far as I know). There's some sort of interface between that thing, that experience of being, and this human body "of mine". This body could live and even speak these things without me experiencing it, surely, so what am I and why am I here?
Quote from: Tsirist on October 12, 2015, 10:07:32 PMQuote from: Winy on October 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious.Can you designate the key part of you that "causes" you to experience things at all? Humans are just machines, the curious part is that we somehow inhabit and see out of one of these machines (or at least, I do, as far as I know). There's some sort of interface between that thing, that experience of being, and this human body "of mine". This body could live and even speak these things without me experiencing it, surely, so what am I and why am I here?I don't think this is true. I don't think a "Soul" is needed for a mechanical system like my body and brain to have a conscious outlook on my surroundings. I really do view it as just a problem of complexity; and I don't see any compelling reasons to think otherwise.
Quote from: Winy on October 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious. I said it to piss off the Empiricists.Empiricism it seems, has the most dogmatic, bigoted and closed-minded group of followers I've ever seen.Anything bordering mystical, esoteric, or metaphysical is shut down and discarded as "pseudoscience" or "woo woo" and is considered not even worthy of study.The problem with empiricism is that it shuns every form of enquiry that doesn't follow the guidelines of scientific Materialism (the view that the universe is just the interactions of observable matter) and conventional science. Don't get me wrong, Emperical science is useful in explaining the interactions of the physical world, but that's it limit.
Discussion without empiricism is redundant and pointless.A metaphysical discussion is one that transcends the authority of logic itself.
Quote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 10:19:04 PMQuote from: Winy on October 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious. I said it to piss off the Empiricists.Empiricism it seems, has the most dogmatic, bigoted and closed-minded group of followers I've ever seen.Anything bordering mystical, esoteric, or metaphysical is shut down and discarded as "pseudoscience" or "woo woo" and is considered not even worthy of study.The problem with empiricism is that it shuns every form of enquiry that doesn't follow the guidelines of scientific Materialism (the view that the universe is just the interactions of observable matter) and conventional science. Don't get me wrong, Emperical science is useful in explaining the interactions of the physical world, but that's it limit.Discussion without empiricism is redundant and pointless.A metaphysical discussion is one that transcends the authority of logic itself.
Quote from: eggsalad on October 12, 2015, 10:33:07 PMDiscussion without empiricism is redundant and pointless.A metaphysical discussion is one that transcends the authority of logic itself.This may be true, but as we've discussed many times, the phenomenon of existence goes beyond empirical matters, no?
Quote from: eggsalad on October 12, 2015, 10:33:07 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 10:19:04 PMQuote from: Winy on October 12, 2015, 09:53:21 PMQuote from: Dan on October 12, 2015, 08:27:30 PMNo.We're not our bodies, we are souls temporarily inhabiting a body. The soul is eternal.What makes you think this is true? Genuinely curious. I said it to piss off the Empiricists.Empiricism it seems, has the most dogmatic, bigoted and closed-minded group of followers I've ever seen.Anything bordering mystical, esoteric, or metaphysical is shut down and discarded as "pseudoscience" or "woo woo" and is considered not even worthy of study.The problem with empiricism is that it shuns every form of enquiry that doesn't follow the guidelines of scientific Materialism (the view that the universe is just the interactions of observable matter) and conventional science. Don't get me wrong, Emperical science is useful in explaining the interactions of the physical world, but that's it limit.Discussion without empiricism is redundant and pointless.A metaphysical discussion is one that transcends the authority of logic itself. Case in point.
I want an actual answer here.What is the value of a conversation where all positions and assertions are fundamentally equal? A discussion where Einsteinian gravity is of equal merit as me smashing my keyboard devalues the idea of communication.