Quote from: Meta Cognition on January 04, 2015, 06:36:55 PMQuote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:19:50 PMQuote from: SuperIrish on January 04, 2015, 06:17:00 PMQuote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:05:05 PMYou've never Been to the region and you've not seen it with your own eyes.I hate to be that guy, but have you? I wouldn't have used that statement if I hadn't.You do realise pretty much all warzones are horrible, right? That doesn't give you any sort of knowledge which I don't possess, besides local geography. You may feel emotionally closer to the human suffering in the region, but that doesn't give you the right to just assume that Israeli is wholly--or even mainly--responsible for the suffering, and judging by the fact that you went on an aid mission to Gaza it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to think you had some pre-conceived anti-Israeli sentiments prior to the trip in the first place. I'm assuming you opposed the 2003 war in Iraq and the War in Afghanistan. Now, if I had been to Iraqi Kurdistan under Hussein and seen the misery and bloodshed, would that give me any more epistemic authority than you? Of course not. If I had been to Kabul under the Taliban, would it give me some sort of authority over your opposition to the War? No, of course not. What matters are the facts, not what biases you feel were confirmed while over in the region.1) All warzones are terrible, that goes without saying.2) Actually before then I wasn't too concerned with Palestine/Israel, I was offered the chance to get outside of Europe and I took it.3) Israel bares most of the blame for the death and suffering in the area4) Yeah I opposed the invasion of Iraq, but the invasion wasn't about "saving the kurds", it was about "the WMDs".5) The facts are more supportive of the Palestinians if you look at un-biased sources and history.As for the subject of the thread, Israel is morally worse than Hamas. They have committed far more and far worse crimes than Hamas. If it wasn't for Israels actions Hamas would never have existed.
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:19:50 PMQuote from: SuperIrish on January 04, 2015, 06:17:00 PMQuote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:05:05 PMYou've never Been to the region and you've not seen it with your own eyes.I hate to be that guy, but have you? I wouldn't have used that statement if I hadn't.You do realise pretty much all warzones are horrible, right? That doesn't give you any sort of knowledge which I don't possess, besides local geography. You may feel emotionally closer to the human suffering in the region, but that doesn't give you the right to just assume that Israeli is wholly--or even mainly--responsible for the suffering, and judging by the fact that you went on an aid mission to Gaza it doesn't seem all that unreasonable to think you had some pre-conceived anti-Israeli sentiments prior to the trip in the first place. I'm assuming you opposed the 2003 war in Iraq and the War in Afghanistan. Now, if I had been to Iraqi Kurdistan under Hussein and seen the misery and bloodshed, would that give me any more epistemic authority than you? Of course not. If I had been to Kabul under the Taliban, would it give me some sort of authority over your opposition to the War? No, of course not. What matters are the facts, not what biases you feel were confirmed while over in the region.
Quote from: SuperIrish on January 04, 2015, 06:17:00 PMQuote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:05:05 PMYou've never Been to the region and you've not seen it with your own eyes.I hate to be that guy, but have you? I wouldn't have used that statement if I hadn't.
Quote from: Kiyohime on January 04, 2015, 06:05:05 PMYou've never Been to the region and you've not seen it with your own eyes.I hate to be that guy, but have you?
You've never Been to the region and you've not seen it with your own eyes.
"The moral highground"
