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Do you consider transgenderism a mental illness?

 
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Could be. Neurological wiring and such. Brains do weird stuff sometimes.

Inherently less harmful than other mental illnesses, if we were to consider it, as such.

In reality, being gender shifted is just a form of body modification. Like tattoos. Piercings.

If it makes somebody happy? Fucking go for it. Their body. Not yours.

Problem solved. Mental illness?

Maybe. In the end?

Irrelevant.


 
 
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Simply being transgender? No.

Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder, though.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on June 04, 2015, 02:12:58 PM
Simply being transgender? No.

Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder, though.
Same thing.

They're transgender because they have gender dysphoria.
No, not the same thing.

Not all transgender people always experience GID all the time. GID is a disorder that is treatable with therapy, HRT, surgery, etc. GID is something that only transgender people experience, yes, but they are not one in the same; they are not synonyms.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:12:39 PM
Quote from: Sandtrap on June 04, 2015, 02:10:14 PM
Could be. Neurological wiring and such. Brains do weird stuff sometimes.

Inherently less harmful than other mental illnesses, if we were to consider it, as such.

In reality, being gender shifted is just a form of body modification. Like tattoos. Piercings.

If it makes somebody happy? Fucking go for it. Their body. Not yours.

Problem solved. Mental illness?

Maybe. In the end?

Irrelevant.
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Correct! Mental illness or no the people who feel uncomfortable because of their state will do something about it. The technology exists to do and therefore there's no phasing it out now.

Call it whatever you like. But you don't control what other people will do with themselves. And you don't stop them if it imposes on making them happy.

Everybody has the right to be happy and to pursue what makes them happy.

And, statistics of course. If it were a mental illness? Pretty fucking mild compared to others out there.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:39:56 PM
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:14:37 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on June 04, 2015, 02:12:58 PM
Simply being transgender? No.

Gender Identity Disorder/Gender Dysphoria is a mental disorder, though.
Same thing.

They're transgender because they have gender dysphoria.
No, not the same thing.

Not all transgender people always experience GID all the time. GID is a disorder that is treatable with therapy, HRT, surgery, etc. GID is something that only transgender people experience, yes, but they are not one in the same; they are not synonyms.
Gender dysphoria is the illness. That's why they change sex, or attempt to.
..and after they do, they no longer have GID, but they're still transgender.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
Over 40% kill themselves even after changing to the sex they think they are.
I wonder how much of that is due to hateful fucktards pushing them toward suicide. Depression and anxiety problems often come along with being transgender.

 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:46:24 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on June 04, 2015, 02:44:53 PM
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Over 40% kill themselves even after changing to the sex they think they are.
I wonder how much of that is due to hateful fucktards pushing them toward suicide. Depression and anxiety problems often come along with being transgender.
Oh boy here comes the victim card.

If they change sex and they look like the other sex, most people can't tell the difference. They commit suicide because they're still not satisfied.
What victim card? People with depression are more likely to commit suicide than someone who isn't suffering from depression. I'm not going to pretend to understand depression, because I don't, but that is true.

Just because hateful remarks aren't directed at you doesn't mean they don't effect you. Seeing tons of hateful remarks flying around about trans people, especially on social media where it's nearly inescapable, can weigh on a person pretty heavily if they are transgender.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
Quote from: Sandtrap on June 04, 2015, 02:17:43 PM
Correct! Mental illness or no the people who feel uncomfortable because of their state will do something about it. The technology exists to do and therefore there's no phasing it out now.
Not really, no. There's no cure for gender dysphoria.

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Call it whatever you like. But you don't control what other people will do with themselves. And you don't stop them if it imposes on making them happy.
That's the thing, it doesn't make them happy. Over 40% kill themselves even after changing to the sex they think they are.

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Everybody has the right to be happy and to pursue what makes them happy.
But it doesn't make them all happy. That's the point.

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And, statistics of course. If it were a mental illness? Pretty fucking mild compared to others out there.
Committing suicide because you're confused about your gender is mild?

Ok.
Transitioning is the best and most effective way of helping transgender people, even with the high rate of suicide, a huge, huge majority of them improve after going through HRT and SRS

I think the rate of suicide is caused by other factors, not merely just being transgender

 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:50:51 PM
Quote from: Mad Max on June 04, 2015, 02:49:24 PM
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Over 40% kill themselves even after changing to the sex they think they are.
I wonder how much of that is due to hateful fucktards pushing them toward suicide. Depression and anxiety problems often come along with being transgender.
Oh boy here comes the victim card.

If they change sex and they look like the other sex, most people can't tell the difference. They commit suicide because they're still not satisfied.
What victim card? People with depression are more likely to commit suicide than someone who isn't suffering from depression. I'm not going to pretend to understand depression, because I don't, but that is true.

Just because hateful remarks aren't directed at you doesn't mean they don't effect you. Seeing tons of hateful remarks flying around about trans people, especially on social media where it's nearly inescapable, can weigh on a person pretty heavily if they are transgender.
I'd attribute it to the facts. The facts being gender dysphoria causes them mental anguish and changing sex doesn't solve the problem.
And my point is that the gender dysphoria isn't usually the only shitty thing going on with them, there's usually depression and anxiety problems too. I think you're trying to oversimplify a complicated issue.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:59:16 PM
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 02:42:33 PM
Over 40% kill themselves even after changing to the sex they think they are.
I wonder how much of that is due to hateful fucktards pushing them toward suicide. Depression and anxiety problems often come along with being transgender.
Oh boy here comes the victim card.

If they change sex and they look like the other sex, most people can't tell the difference. They commit suicide because they're still not satisfied.
What victim card? People with depression are more likely to commit suicide than someone who isn't suffering from depression. I'm not going to pretend to understand depression, because I don't, but that is true.

Just because hateful remarks aren't directed at you doesn't mean they don't effect you. Seeing tons of hateful remarks flying around about trans people, especially on social media where it's nearly inescapable, can weigh on a person pretty heavily if they are transgender.
I'd attribute it to the facts. The facts being gender dysphoria causes them mental anguish and changing sex doesn't solve the problem.
And my point is that the gender dysphoria isn't usually the only shitty thing going on with them, there's usually depression and anxiety problems too. I think you're trying to oversimplify a complicated issue.
Caused mainly by the dysphoria.

I think you're shifting the blame onto bigotry and negating the very severe effects gender dysphoria has on people.
I never said GID/dysphoria wasn't shitty; it very much is. But that's why it's a disorder. Being transgender is not the disorder here, which is what your thread is about.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
What I meant is do you guys consider transgender people to be mentally ill?
My answer remains the same. Being transgender does not mean you're mentally ill.

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maybe.... i don't really know or care, as long as my dog doesn't hop on the bandwagon

I still think it's kind of pointless to label yourself as another gender...

 
 
 
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Welp, Max has pretty soundly covered everything I was going to say ITT so thanks for saving me the typing <.<

I would point out that you are going to have a combination of the two when it comes to other mental illnesses so neither of you are wrong per se. The dysphoria itself can lead to unhappiness/depression/anxiety but it is equally rooted in the treatment of the individuals by the wider society and their friends/family. A happy supportive home should allow a transgender person to undergo the necessary treatment to get rid of the dysphoria (Such as the change/HRT etc) without any of the typically associated problems arising.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 03:29:26 PM
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 03:04:46 PM
What I meant is do you guys consider transgender people to be mentally ill?
My answer remains the same. Being transgender does not mean you're mentally ill.
Well, I think you're wrong.
You only think I'm wrong because you don't understand transgender stuff.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 03:33:33 PM
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What I meant is do you guys consider transgender people to be mentally ill?
My answer remains the same. Being transgender does not mean you're mentally ill.
Well, I think you're wrong.
You only think I'm wrong because you don't understand transgender stuff.
What are you 12?

I understand it just fine. It's a disorder.
You obviously don't understand it just fine if you think transgender and GID/gender dysphoria are the same thing.

 
 
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Quote from: challengerX on June 04, 2015, 03:36:12 PM
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What I meant is do you guys consider transgender people to be mentally ill?
My answer remains the same. Being transgender does not mean you're mentally ill.
Well, I think you're wrong.
You only think I'm wrong because you don't understand transgender stuff.
What are you 12?

I understand it just fine. It's a disorder.
You obviously don't understand it just fine if you think transgender and GID/gender dysphoria are the same thing.
Let me guess, you think gender and sex are different things?
Yes, because they are. I also think 1+1=2, and the Earth revolves around the sun.

 
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