Angry Mexicansprotest over 43 missing students

Naru · November 21, 2014, 12:28:01 PM

Other than the fact that the title is hilarious, and the news source, these people are starting to get violent.

http://news.yahoo.com/mexico-city-braces-large-demonstrations-195559776.html

What can the government do at this point? Yu and I are already getting fed up with the Cartel getting pushed back by the vigilantes, and it's annoying since we're trying to expand the drug empire. Discuss the incompetence of the Mexican gov't.

Lemy the Lizerd · November 21, 2014, 12:30:33 PM

It's Mexico. The government can do absolutely nothing.

Kinder Graham · November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM

If the government allowed gun ownership.....

Lemy the Lizerd · November 21, 2014, 12:36:26 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM

If the government allowed gun ownership.....

the Cartel would still control the country because Mexicans are too poor to buy guns

Naru · November 21, 2014, 12:37:17 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM

If the government allowed gun ownership.....

>vigilantes having guns

And the thing is, they're doing a decent job holding back the Cartel from their homes

Kinder Graham · November 21, 2014, 12:41:50 PM

Quote from: Lemy the Lizerd on November 21, 2014, 12:36:26 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
If the government allowed gun ownership.....
the Cartel would still control the country because Mexicans are too poor to buy guns

It's not that difficult to get a gun in Mexico as it is, it is if you go through the legal way. While I hate to see people buy a gun illegally, I can make an exception if it's for self-defense. There are many parts of Mexico that are being run by vigilante groups and these places are safer than areas that are controlled by the Mexican government/military

Flee · November 21, 2014, 12:46:36 PM

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Kinder Graham · November 21, 2014, 12:50:47 PM

Quote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 12:46:36 PM

Quote from: Naru on November 21, 2014, 12:28:01 PM
What can the government do at this point?
Start anew, without the corruption that is leading to this.

This is Mexico we're talking about. Their history has been greatly tainted with serious government corruption and revolutions

Alternative Facts · November 21, 2014, 01:12:09 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM

If the government allowed gun ownership.....

Kinder, is your only solution to issues "Well, if they had guns..."?

I'm generally quite curious, not trying to dig at you

Kinder Graham · November 21, 2014, 01:17:24 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on November 21, 2014, 01:12:09 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
If the government allowed gun ownership.....

Kinder, is your only solution to issues "Well, if they had guns..."?

I'm generally quite curious, not trying to dig at you

When people's lives are at risk, then hell yes it is my solution

Alternative Facts · November 21, 2014, 01:18:50 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 01:17:24 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on November 21, 2014, 01:12:09 PM
Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
If the government allowed gun ownership.....

Kinder, is your only solution to issues "Well, if they had guns..."?

I'm generally quite curious, not trying to dig at you
When people's lives are at risk, then hell yes it is my solution

Fair enough. I'm not interesting in destroying another thread by going against you, so we can leave it at that.

Naru · November 21, 2014, 01:33:55 PM

Quote from: IcyWind on November 21, 2014, 01:12:09 PM

Quote from: Kinder on November 21, 2014, 12:35:07 PM
If the government allowed gun ownership.....

Kinder, is your only solution to issues "Well, if they had guns..."?

I'm generally quite curious, not trying to dig at you

Guns proved effective with the vigilantes hiding back Cartel since police don't do shit. They need guns.

Flee · November 21, 2014, 01:57:19 PM

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Azumarill · November 21, 2014, 04:23:08 PM

im wondering why the US hasnt stepped in. im woefully ignorant when it comes to mexico-US relations, but this is how i see things. it seems to me that having the cartels in power isnt beneficial for the US; they're just empowering our black market economy and flooding the nation with dangerous drugs. if we stop our domestic war on terror, we put a huge dent in the cartels right away. a full-scale "invasion" doesnt seem to be right.. maybe a UN coalition force comes in to help local militias/willing mexican military to fight off the cartels?

its just odd to me. mexico is one of our greatest economic allies (heyyyy big oil, heyyyy,) and they're our direct neighbor to the south. why are we pushing the refugees back? why are we continuing to empower the cartels?

Flee · November 21, 2014, 04:57:39 PM

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Kinder Graham · November 21, 2014, 05:08:12 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on November 21, 2014, 04:23:08 PM

im wondering why the US hasnt stepped in. im woefully ignorant when it comes to mexico-US relations, but this is how i see things. it seems to me that having the cartels in power isnt beneficial for the US; they're just empowering our black market economy and flooding the nation with dangerous drugs. if we stop our domestic war on terror, we put a huge dent in the cartels right away. a full-scale "invasion" doesnt seem to be right.. maybe a UN coalition force comes in to help local militias/willing mexican military to fight off the cartels?

its just odd to me. mexico is one of our greatest economic allies (heyyyy big oil, heyyyy,) and they're our direct neighbor to the south. why are we pushing the refugees back? why are we continuing to empower the cartels?

America should sure as hell get involved. Unlike the Middle-East, Mexico is our neighbor and the cartel actions have direct actions on our turf, especially when violence spills over

Azumarill · November 21, 2014, 05:12:15 PM

Quote from: Flee on November 21, 2014, 04:57:39 PM

Quote from: Azumarill on November 21, 2014, 04:23:08 PM
This is more about widspread governmental corruption than the cartels though. The direct events leading up to these protests are the disappearance and death of 40 something college students, with the corrupt police force being directly to blame. The following governmental refusal to actually look into it (and the minister of justice saying something along the lines of "I'm tired of all these questions" when confronted by the parents of the murdered students asking for answers) and more and more reports of corruption on an incredible scale are what's making these people rise up and demand the resignation of their president.

isnt this corruption just a result of the government being in bed with the cartels though?

Flee · November 21, 2014, 05:16:03 PM

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