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So in the recent years, divorce rates have increased. It has also gone from something looked down upon to something that people don't really care about. But divorces and single-parent households also give children, especially young ones, a higher chance of a crap life. So should divorce be looked down more than it is now? Should people be required to attend marriage counseling before going through a divorce?


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I'm fine with it. It's unfortunate, but shit happens; people change.

If divorce is culturally frowned upon, you'll have more people staying together for no good reason and still providing a shit home life for their kid(s). Often, divorce is the better option.
Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 02:53:06 PM by Mad Max


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.


 
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I don't think the problem is with divorce being more acceptable, but with marriage becoming a thing you do after knowing someone for eight months for a tax break.


 
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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs
I'm pretty sure Meta is saying in regards to the act of divorce, he doesn't care. Not that he's cool with the repercussions of divorce.


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I'm fine with it. It's unfortunate, but shit happens; people change.

If divorce is culturally frowned upon, you'll have more people staying together for no good reason and still providing a shit home life for their kid(s). Often, divorce is the better option.
http://patch.com/georgia/marietta/the-top-10-reasons-marriages-end-in-divorce_14370092

Top 10 reasons why divorce happens. A good number of these can be fixed if people the first issue and establish lines of communication


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs
Correlation=/=causation.

How do you know the environments which lead to and facilitate divorce don't also induce the other results you're talking about?

Even so, what are we going to do? Forcing two people to stay together who don't want to is a fucking stupid idea.


 
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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs

Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website?

 Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website.


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs
Correlation=/=causation.

How do you know the environments which lead to and facilitate divorce don't also induce the other results you're talking about?

Even so, what are we going to do? Forcing two people to stay together who don't want to is a fucking stupid idea.
This is a case where multiple studies have shown that indeed correlation=causation

Not clear on the question

Many things can be done, such as public awareness campaigns detailing counseling and not getting married till you're comfortable with the person. You can also amend current divorce laws
http://www.reducedivorce.org/Documents/HowToCutAmericasDivorceRateTalkingPoints.pdf
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1. Reform No Fault Divorce with Mutual Consent: The
current No Fault Divorce Law, in 49 states, is rigged to destroy
families, not to preserve them. Frank Furstenburg and Andrew
Cherlin wrote in Divided Families, that “four out of five
marriages ended unilaterally.” Though a divorce is opposed in
80% cases1
 by one spouse, it is always granted. Therefore, my
first proposal is that couples with children should be required to
obtain written mutual consent for the dissolution of their
marriage, if there are no allegations of major fault such as
adultery or physical abuse. The spouse who thinks their marriage
IS reconcilable should have an equal voice in deciding whether to
preserve it. Both religious and legal leaders believe the replacement of No Fault Divorce with
Mutual Consent – would save half of the marriages now ending in divorce. If passed in every
state, a half million children a year would NOT see their parents divorce, 5 million in a decade. It
is hard to imagine any change in America that could bring more positive benefits to American
families.


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I'm fine with it. It's unfortunate, but shit happens; people change.

If divorce is culturally frowned upon, you'll have more people staying together for no good reason and still providing a shit home life for their kid(s). Often, divorce is the better option.
http://patch.com/georgia/marietta/the-top-10-reasons-marriages-end-in-divorce_14370092

Top 10 reasons why divorce happens. A good number of these can be fixed if people the first issue and establish lines of communication
...so we shouldn't condone divorce?


 
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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs

Umm bro. That's the heritage foundation. Not exactly a great source of information. I'd recommend you grab a source that doesn't have a history of deliberately crafting studies and manipulating information to push their agenda.

This way you can avoid your arguments being discredited.


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Both religious and legal leaders believe the replacement of No Fault Divorce with Mutual Consent – would save half of the marriages now ending in divorce. If passed in every state, a half million children a year would NOT see their parents divorce
How would that keep people from going through the divorce process?


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs

Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website?

 Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website.

http://www.academia.edu/2548424/Post-Divorce_Parental_Conflict_and_Adolescents_Delinquency_in_Divorced_Families

http://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3380&context=etd

http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/jlfs/article/viewFile/30/23

http://www.mdrc.org/publication/effects-marriage-and-divorce-families-and-children

From my textbook (Juvenile Delinquency 11th Edition 2011)

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Divorce strikes about half of all new marriages, and many intact families sacrifice time with each other to afford more affluent lifestyles. Today, about 70 percent of children under 18 live with two married parents. Kids who live with one parent only are much more likely to experience poverty than those living in two-parent families. Because of family problems, children are being polarized into two distinct economic groups: those in affluent, two-earner, married-couple house-holds and those in poor, single-parent households

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Boys seem to be more affected by postdivorce absence of the father. In postdivorce situations, fathers seems less likely to be around to solve problems, to discuss standards of conduct, or to enforce discipline. A divorced father who remains actively involved in his child's life reduces his son's chances of delinquency


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Shouldn't be okay.


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs

Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website?

 Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website.

http://www.academia.edu/2548424/Post-Divorce_Parental_Conflict_and_Adolescents_Delinquency_in_Divorced_Families

http://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3380&context=etd

http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/jlfs/article/viewFile/30/23

http://www.mdrc.org/publication/effects-marriage-and-divorce-families-and-children

From my textbook (Juvenile Delinquency 11th Edition 2011)

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Divorce strikes about half of all new marriages, and many intact families sacrifice time with each other to afford more affluent lifestyles. Today, about 70 percent of children under 18 live with two married parents. Kids who live with one parent only are much more likely to experience poverty than those living in two-parent families. Because of family problems, children are being polarized into two distinct economic groups: those in affluent, two-earner, married-couple house-holds and those in poor, single-parent households

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Boys seem to be more affected by postdivorce absence of the father. In postdivorce situations, fathers seems less likely to be around to solve problems, to discuss standards of conduct, or to enforce discipline. A divorced father who remains actively involved in his child's life reduces his son's chances of delinquency
I don't agree but I'll give you credit for citing better sources.


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I don't give a fuck if two people want to get divorced.
http://www.heritage.org/research/commentary/2000/08/divorce-ignoring-the-cost

You should though. Divorce increases the chance of juvenile criminals (later adult criminals) along with increasing poverty numbers. Both of which have a huge toll on society as you're spending more money to lock up these people and spending more money to make sure these people have basic needs

Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website?

 Study from 2000 on a Conservative policy website.

http://www.academia.edu/2548424/Post-Divorce_Parental_Conflict_and_Adolescents_Delinquency_in_Divorced_Families

http://dc.etsu.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=3380&context=etd

http://epubs.utah.edu/index.php/jlfs/article/viewFile/30/23

http://www.mdrc.org/publication/effects-marriage-and-divorce-families-and-children

From my textbook (Juvenile Delinquency 11th Edition 2011)

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Divorce strikes about half of all new marriages, and many intact families sacrifice time with each other to afford more affluent lifestyles. Today, about 70 percent of children under 18 live with two married parents. Kids who live with one parent only are much more likely to experience poverty than those living in two-parent families. Because of family problems, children are being polarized into two distinct economic groups: those in affluent, two-earner, married-couple house-holds and those in poor, single-parent households

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Boys seem to be more affected by postdivorce absence of the father. In postdivorce situations, fathers seems less likely to be around to solve problems, to discuss standards of conduct, or to enforce discipline. A divorced father who remains actively involved in his child's life reduces his son's chances of delinquency
I don't agree but I'll give you credit for citing better sources.
Fair enough


 
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You will find out who you are not a thousand times, before you ever discover who you are. I hope you find peace in yourself and learn to love instead of hate.
BasedLove don't give a fuck. If 2 people want a divorce you give them a divorce. It's obviously better if a couple can stay together and work out their problems but that isn't always an option.

What do you suggest? Ban couples from getting divorced?


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I feel the same about divorce as I do about abortion.  I don't care if it happens, but I consider it undesirable.


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What do you suggest? Ban couples from getting divorced?
No, but if it's something stupid as not being able to party or not being able to do what you want to do then counseling should be attempted first. If it's an abusive situation then it is of course different but to walk out over a small and fixable thing is not only laughable but teaches children that instead of fixing something or to try, you just quit; which you see with school drop-out rates and low grades


 
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I'm curious. Kinder, if I do recall, you were someone who (On Bungie.net) said the government shouldn't have a hand in marriage.

I'd like them to not have a hand in the ending of marriage, personally.


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I think folks should go to marriage counseling regardless of whether divorce is on the table.

Of course divorce should be an option, though.


 
 
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<.<
A few years ago I was vehemently against it, nowadays I see the point/purpose to it happening.

If a marriage has failed, it's pointless and harmful to force two people who hate each other to remain tied together. If there are children, the divorce should just be done as quickly as possible with both parents remaining involved in the child's life if possible/a good idea.

A broken home is a broken home regardless of the marital status of the two parents. Single parent families aren't inherently bad, but the statistics do show that kids from nuclear families have a better chance of turning out alright <.<


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If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
You can't force love.

I think divorce should be acceptable, but marriages shouldn't be rushed into and culturally should be held to a higher value and be a bigger "thing" than today.

That way there isn't as much problems compared to when people are marrying 3 months after meeting.
Last Edit: December 30, 2014, 07:58:02 PM by SuperIrish