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Goodness gracious, great balls of lightning!
I'll be lucky if I make it to 25.


 
 
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I do wonder if I have PTSD though to be serious.
I know there was a LOOOOL response but for another serious reply because reasons and all that.

Obviously I don't know what might be the cause or if you are inclined to discuss the symptoms and all that, but what I can say is that it doesn't have to be seeing your whole family/squad/village get gunned down infront of you to cause PTSD it can be relatively inane circumstances (by comparison).

The psych who was treating me for it explained it to the effect of when there is a traumatic experience, there are a couple of ways the memory can be handled within the mind/brain. One that involves a massive biological effect can rewire parts of the brain (Adrenaline surges reshaping the mapping via neuroplasticity iirc) which is why you get the old soldier who cannot switch off and is always jumping at shadows. Then you have a more cognitive based one (Although I imagine the two are linked) in which the painful memory/experience can be stored in the mind incorrectly so that the emotional/triggered sections flare up easily (So flashbacks, hallucinations, paranoia and other assorted psychoses) which can be solved by EMDR.

EMDR is in a nutshell, reliving the experience whilst the shrink waves a pen/pencil/stick infront of your eyes that you have to track whilst going back over what happened and it helps to recode the memory into one that has the same active effect on you as any other normal memory.

Case in point would be how I was flinching/spacing out whenever there was a 'thunk' noise, coupled with an echoing shriek/squeal I could constantly hear. After they sorted that out, the memory is painful and certainly fucked me up, but I can function normally now <.<

So that's a bit of a ramble but chances are if this checklist/self eval form points towards it, it might be worth speaking to a GP/Doctor about what they recommend. Unless you are able to function fine as it is, in which case it might not be necessary to be treated for it given that the treatment simply involves getting you to the point where you can function adequately again <.<

(The form is one I found on a yank website, civilian version as opposed to veterans edition and it's about the same as the NHS one I saw a few years back)

Anyhoo, if this is at all helpful then great if it's just Deez Nuts then ya gotem <_<


 
 
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No offense but there's a lot of cringe in this thread. Some of yall need to just get off the internet and reevaluate how you live your lives. Or work on self esteem.
Wow! It's like after reading this post, all of my problems just seem so small and insignificant! Thanks, Lord Starch! You know, you should tell this to everyone with depression! "Reevaluate how you live your life" and "Work on self-esteem!"

No, really, that's absolutely beautiful. Put that shit on a fucking T-shirt.

"Reevaluate how you live your life"
- Lord Starch

Maybe put them on some offshoot of the Livestrong bracelets. That'll sell millions!

"Work on self-esteem"
- Lord Starch

If I'da known it was all that simple, I woulda stopped being depressed YEARS ago! You're going places, man. You're gonna be the next Dr. Phil. I mean, everything you said--it's all so nuanced, so erudite, so considerate of the complexity of the issue, but most of all, it's... Fucking retarded. I mean, wow.

It's this sort of glib, vapid ignorance that only makes me hate people even more--Self-esteem is probably the last thing I need to "work on". Whatever the fucking fuck that even means. "Work on self-esteem"? Please, describe to me in your own words what you THINK that means. It'll be hilarious.

Needless to say, your post lacks the substance, sophistication, and tact required to tackle such an issue.

This is the exact type of mongoloid idiocy that I was trying to preempt.
What are you accomplishing by posting this utter shit here? Wait, don't answer that--I already know.

Never post on this board again.
This reaction is reason you stay depressed. Your outlook on life and your fellow man is atrocious. All I'm saying is that maybe instead of being an online pessimist, you should change up and analyze how you live your life. But eh, I was just throwing in my two cents. I don't care what you do.

Can we seriously not turn this fucking thread into a garbage pile.
Not my fault he overreacted to a simple comment.

Actually yeah, it is. If you had a better grasp on the subject at hand that you'd understand that this shit isn't just an off switch. Depression doesn't give a fuck about how happy or well off you are.

It's neural fuckery at its finest and it doesn't give a shit about any walls you put up to stop it. You could be the king of the world and be depressed as shit. You could be well off and be depressed as shit.

And you might even tell yourself things, try to make yourself realize that you're actually okay but it gets reflected and turned back on you in a negative way by your own twisted and warped thoughts. Do you understand that? Here, let me give you an example.

Let's say, somebody who's depressed realizes it. And they start trying to shift their thoughts to better areas. Looking at their life and realizing that, hey, they're pretty well off. You'd think that would work right?

No.

Because then, the person gets down about realizing that they're being stupid about things and that they're being ungrateful for what they have, and you start right back off at square one.

I even wrote you a post explaining that all things considered, I know that I'm well off. But yet I'm still in this shithole of a state no matter how much I try to beat it.

That's what you don't get. This shit isn't just a fucking off switch. It's a slow burn that hides around every fucking corner of your head and waits to come out and twist things against you, and when you think you've beaten it, boom, it comes crawling back out of the dark corners of your head and pushes you right back down into the mud as easily as the first time.

Do you understand me?
I get you. I already knew coming in that there isn't an off switch and its relatively complicated to fix. From what little I've read about it, they say you have to change aspect of your everyday life and focus on introspection. Quite frankly I probably won't ever get it in the sense that you do since I haven't experienced depression, but I suppose I'll make an effort to understand it more than I do now. The symptoms have been explained, but what about the solutions?

You know what? I don't even fucking know anymore. Depression at its core is a chemical inbalance which can be partially countered with its opposite chemicals. Basically, by being happy.

Growth, new experiences and lots of mental activity and stimulous that makes a person happy is always the soundest bet. But that's why I made this thread. I feel like I've hit the wall here. I've defined myself as a person, I've grown and changed, I've learned to do stuff that I enjoy, and I've learned about what makes me happy and satisfied.

And here I am. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do things like that when I've already established a strong base to work off of? It depends on the depression. Some people have temporary downs which can be climbed out of.

Mine is fucking chronic. It'll always be there.
You know, I planned to head to Barnes and Noble to day for a poetry book, but I think I'll pick up a book on depression as well, as I'm now genuinely curuious about it. So we've established that it's a chemical imbalance that, from what I'm seeing, cannot be counteracted by conciously trying to be happy through introspective analysis or engaging in things that make you happy. Do you think antidepressants are the best solution to this problem? I was always skeptical about them since I assumed one would become dependant on them, but seeing as how it's more physiological than mental, I assume it's the most practical route. I've heard that people could improve by seeking consistent therapy as well.

I hope depression wont always be there for you though.

Anti-depressents aren't even a real solution. It's the opposite really. Yo don't become dependant on anti-depressents. Your brain rejects them.

They're a trick to your brain. Essentially, what they do is, trick your brain into thinking that it has what it needs in terms of a normal healthy chemical balance. And this, naturally, only works for so long. Eventually your brain adapts to the dosage and so over time, the dosage needs to be raised.

It's basically, a money racket. It doesn't fix things. And I can't even consider it because I've conversed with all my various docs and they all agree that with the amount of chemicals I'm taking right now, in the form of meds for chemo, already make me unstable. Throwing more pills on top of things has the potential to seriously fuck me up if it already hasn't.
Ehh, I get that they are pretty unpopular and psychiatric medication is treated like rat poison in terms of opinion but the more advanced and refined medications are a lot more effective/less shitty than people tend to expect.

It does depend on the patient but say you take the generic client with MDD, suicidal ideation and constantly depressed mood. They can't go to work and all they are able to do is lie on the floor/sofa and waste the day away.

Chances are CBT alone won't break the cycle, you need the big guns to get them off the floor then the other treatments have a chance of working. You tell a man who is currently weighing up Bridge or Train that it's an issue with the way he is thinking about his problems and chances are that's going to be as useful as some of the quotes in this venerable comic now obviously a trained psych isn't going to be that blunt but from my experience it might as well be.

The combined approach of temporary medication coupled with regular therapy seems to be (and has been) the most effective approach in my opinion.

When you say they trick the brain, that's not technically true. Take SSRIs for example, the nice simple one, say the patient has low levels of serotonin floating around, this can be in part dealt with by making more of the serotonin available - you do this by binding the SSRI to the nerve cells in place of the serotonin which would normally be reabsorbed and 'destroyed' by the nerve cells. You have more serotonin available as a result and this improves the mood of the patient. I'll just quote this bit from the NHS's website

Quote
It would be too simplistic to say that depression and related mental health conditions are caused by low serotonin levels, but a rise in serotonin levels can improve symptoms and make people more responsive to other types of treatment, such as CBT.

That'd be why you get put on them, to make the therapy more effective/responsive and to give the initial uplift to start the slog uphill.

Got a nice diagram here for anyone who can stomach biochemistry <.<

This is for an NaSSA drug as opposed to SSRI but it's somewhat the same.

The yellow bars (drug) cockblock the green and blue maws that would otherwise eat up all the nice little neurotransmitters (green/blue space invaders) thus having the desired effect of increasing availability of the two

So perhaps you can describe it as a trick, but it's a relatively simple mechanism to increase the amount of NT in your system.

As for the money racket, eh I can't say I disagree but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. I find it disgusting that there are people who profit from maintaining sickness rather than curing it, but the degenerates aside the medication does help people and when they reach a point in their life where they are stable enough to come off it then the treatment is complete.

Sadly in your case, as your doctors have rightfully pointed out the chemo cocktail would not be complemented by a dose of SSRI/NaSSA/Tricyclics without some pretty catastrophic side-effects which is unfortunate but the way things go, I'd hope they could at least provide some form of psychological therapy but I imagine the backwoods of canada aren't populated with too many professional shrinks :l


 
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No offense but there's a lot of cringe in this thread. Some of yall need to just get off the internet and reevaluate how you live your lives. Or work on self esteem.
Wow! It's like after reading this post, all of my problems just seem so small and insignificant! Thanks, Lord Starch! You know, you should tell this to everyone with depression! "Reevaluate how you live your life" and "Work on self-esteem!"

No, really, that's absolutely beautiful. Put that shit on a fucking T-shirt.

"Reevaluate how you live your life"
- Lord Starch

Maybe put them on some offshoot of the Livestrong bracelets. That'll sell millions!

"Work on self-esteem"
- Lord Starch

If I'da known it was all that simple, I woulda stopped being depressed YEARS ago! You're going places, man. You're gonna be the next Dr. Phil. I mean, everything you said--it's all so nuanced, so erudite, so considerate of the complexity of the issue, but most of all, it's... Fucking retarded. I mean, wow.

It's this sort of glib, vapid ignorance that only makes me hate people even more--Self-esteem is probably the last thing I need to "work on". Whatever the fucking fuck that even means. "Work on self-esteem"? Please, describe to me in your own words what you THINK that means. It'll be hilarious.

Needless to say, your post lacks the substance, sophistication, and tact required to tackle such an issue.

This is the exact type of mongoloid idiocy that I was trying to preempt.
What are you accomplishing by posting this utter shit here? Wait, don't answer that--I already know.

Never post on this board again.
This reaction is reason you stay depressed. Your outlook on life and your fellow man is atrocious. All I'm saying is that maybe instead of being an online pessimist, you should change up and analyze how you live your life. But eh, I was just throwing in my two cents. I don't care what you do.

Can we seriously not turn this fucking thread into a garbage pile.
Not my fault he overreacted to a simple comment.

Actually yeah, it is. If you had a better grasp on the subject at hand that you'd understand that this shit isn't just an off switch. Depression doesn't give a fuck about how happy or well off you are.

It's neural fuckery at its finest and it doesn't give a shit about any walls you put up to stop it. You could be the king of the world and be depressed as shit. You could be well off and be depressed as shit.

And you might even tell yourself things, try to make yourself realize that you're actually okay but it gets reflected and turned back on you in a negative way by your own twisted and warped thoughts. Do you understand that? Here, let me give you an example.

Let's say, somebody who's depressed realizes it. And they start trying to shift their thoughts to better areas. Looking at their life and realizing that, hey, they're pretty well off. You'd think that would work right?

No.

Because then, the person gets down about realizing that they're being stupid about things and that they're being ungrateful for what they have, and you start right back off at square one.

I even wrote you a post explaining that all things considered, I know that I'm well off. But yet I'm still in this shithole of a state no matter how much I try to beat it.

That's what you don't get. This shit isn't just a fucking off switch. It's a slow burn that hides around every fucking corner of your head and waits to come out and twist things against you, and when you think you've beaten it, boom, it comes crawling back out of the dark corners of your head and pushes you right back down into the mud as easily as the first time.

Do you understand me?
I get you. I already knew coming in that there isn't an off switch and its relatively complicated to fix. From what little I've read about it, they say you have to change aspect of your everyday life and focus on introspection. Quite frankly I probably won't ever get it in the sense that you do since I haven't experienced depression, but I suppose I'll make an effort to understand it more than I do now. The symptoms have been explained, but what about the solutions?

You know what? I don't even fucking know anymore. Depression at its core is a chemical inbalance which can be partially countered with its opposite chemicals. Basically, by being happy.

Growth, new experiences and lots of mental activity and stimulous that makes a person happy is always the soundest bet. But that's why I made this thread. I feel like I've hit the wall here. I've defined myself as a person, I've grown and changed, I've learned to do stuff that I enjoy, and I've learned about what makes me happy and satisfied.

And here I am. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do things like that when I've already established a strong base to work off of? It depends on the depression. Some people have temporary downs which can be climbed out of.

Mine is fucking chronic. It'll always be there.
You know, I planned to head to Barnes and Noble to day for a poetry book, but I think I'll pick up a book on depression as well, as I'm now genuinely curuious about it. So we've established that it's a chemical imbalance that, from what I'm seeing, cannot be counteracted by conciously trying to be happy through introspective analysis or engaging in things that make you happy. Do you think antidepressants are the best solution to this problem? I was always skeptical about them since I assumed one would become dependant on them, but seeing as how it's more physiological than mental, I assume it's the most practical route. I've heard that people could improve by seeking consistent therapy as well.

I hope depression wont always be there for you though.

Anti-depressents aren't even a real solution. It's the opposite really. Yo don't become dependant on anti-depressents. Your brain rejects them.

They're a trick to your brain. Essentially, what they do is, trick your brain into thinking that it has what it needs in terms of a normal healthy chemical balance. And this, naturally, only works for so long. Eventually your brain adapts to the dosage and so over time, the dosage needs to be raised.

It's basically, a money racket. It doesn't fix things. And I can't even consider it because I've conversed with all my various docs and they all agree that with the amount of chemicals I'm taking right now, in the form of meds for chemo, already make me unstable. Throwing more pills on top of things has the potential to seriously fuck me up if it already hasn't.
Ehh, I get that they are pretty unpopular and psychiatric medication is treated like rat poison in terms of opinion but the more advanced and refined medications are a lot more effective/less shitty than people tend to expect.

It does depend on the patient but say you take the generic client with MDD, suicidal ideation and constantly depressed mood. They can't go to work and all they are able to do is lie on the floor/sofa and waste the day away.

Chances are CBT alone won't break the cycle, you need the big guns to get them off the floor then the other treatments have a chance of working. You tell a man who is currently weighing up Bridge or Train that it's an issue with the way he is thinking about his problems and chances are that's going to be as useful as some of the quotes in this venerable comic now obviously a trained psych isn't going to be that blunt but from my experience it might as well be.

The combined approach of temporary medication coupled with regular therapy seems to be (and has been) the most effective approach in my opinion.

When you say they trick the brain, that's not technically true. Take SSRIs for example, the nice simple one, say the patient has low levels of serotonin floating around, this can be in part dealt with by making more of the serotonin available - you do this by binding the SSRI to the nerve cells in place of the serotonin which would normally be reabsorbed and 'destroyed' by the nerve cells. You have more serotonin available as a result and this improves the mood of the patient. I'll just quote this bit from the NHS's website

Quote
It would be too simplistic to say that depression and related mental health conditions are caused by low serotonin levels, but a rise in serotonin levels can improve symptoms and make people more responsive to other types of treatment, such as CBT.

That'd be why you get put on them, to make the therapy more effective/responsive and to give the initial uplift to start the slog uphill.

Got a nice diagram here for anyone who can stomach biochemistry <.<

This is for an NaSSA drug as opposed to SSRI but it's somewhat the same.

The yellow bars (drug) cockblock the green and blue maws that would otherwise eat up all the nice little neurotransmitters (green/blue space invaders) thus having the desired effect of increasing availability of the two

So perhaps you can describe it as a trick, but it's a relatively simple mechanism to increase the amount of NT in your system.

As for the money racket, eh I can't say I disagree but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. I find it disgusting that there are people who profit from maintaining sickness rather than curing it, but the degenerates aside the medication does help people and when they reach a point in their life where they are stable enough to come off it then the treatment is complete.

Sadly in your case, as your doctors have rightfully pointed out the chemo cocktail would not be complemented by a dose of SSRI/NaSSA/Tricyclics without some pretty catastrophic side-effects which is unfortunate but the way things go, I'd hope they could at least provide some form of psychological therapy but I imagine the backwoods of canada aren't populated with too many professional shrinks :l

Unfortunately, no. Even in the more populated areas of my province we just don't have a big number of medical proffessionals in regards to psychology things of that caliber. We're a bit notorious for it actually. To give you an example. My province is shaped basically like a big rectangle.

You know how many psychiatrists manage the top northern half?

1.

One person. I've read about her before. She makes house calls to all the really remote settlements up north where there are no roads via plane. I think we've got a bit more psychologists in the province though. Bit easier to find than a psychiatrist.


 
 
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No offense but there's a lot of cringe in this thread. Some of yall need to just get off the internet and reevaluate how you live your lives. Or work on self esteem.
Wow! It's like after reading this post, all of my problems just seem so small and insignificant! Thanks, Lord Starch! You know, you should tell this to everyone with depression! "Reevaluate how you live your life" and "Work on self-esteem!"

No, really, that's absolutely beautiful. Put that shit on a fucking T-shirt.

"Reevaluate how you live your life"
- Lord Starch

Maybe put them on some offshoot of the Livestrong bracelets. That'll sell millions!

"Work on self-esteem"
- Lord Starch

If I'da known it was all that simple, I woulda stopped being depressed YEARS ago! You're going places, man. You're gonna be the next Dr. Phil. I mean, everything you said--it's all so nuanced, so erudite, so considerate of the complexity of the issue, but most of all, it's... Fucking retarded. I mean, wow.

It's this sort of glib, vapid ignorance that only makes me hate people even more--Self-esteem is probably the last thing I need to "work on". Whatever the fucking fuck that even means. "Work on self-esteem"? Please, describe to me in your own words what you THINK that means. It'll be hilarious.

Needless to say, your post lacks the substance, sophistication, and tact required to tackle such an issue.

This is the exact type of mongoloid idiocy that I was trying to preempt.
What are you accomplishing by posting this utter shit here? Wait, don't answer that--I already know.

Never post on this board again.
This reaction is reason you stay depressed. Your outlook on life and your fellow man is atrocious. All I'm saying is that maybe instead of being an online pessimist, you should change up and analyze how you live your life. But eh, I was just throwing in my two cents. I don't care what you do.

Can we seriously not turn this fucking thread into a garbage pile.
Not my fault he overreacted to a simple comment.

Actually yeah, it is. If you had a better grasp on the subject at hand that you'd understand that this shit isn't just an off switch. Depression doesn't give a fuck about how happy or well off you are.

It's neural fuckery at its finest and it doesn't give a shit about any walls you put up to stop it. You could be the king of the world and be depressed as shit. You could be well off and be depressed as shit.

And you might even tell yourself things, try to make yourself realize that you're actually okay but it gets reflected and turned back on you in a negative way by your own twisted and warped thoughts. Do you understand that? Here, let me give you an example.

Let's say, somebody who's depressed realizes it. And they start trying to shift their thoughts to better areas. Looking at their life and realizing that, hey, they're pretty well off. You'd think that would work right?

No.

Because then, the person gets down about realizing that they're being stupid about things and that they're being ungrateful for what they have, and you start right back off at square one.

I even wrote you a post explaining that all things considered, I know that I'm well off. But yet I'm still in this shithole of a state no matter how much I try to beat it.

That's what you don't get. This shit isn't just a fucking off switch. It's a slow burn that hides around every fucking corner of your head and waits to come out and twist things against you, and when you think you've beaten it, boom, it comes crawling back out of the dark corners of your head and pushes you right back down into the mud as easily as the first time.

Do you understand me?
I get you. I already knew coming in that there isn't an off switch and its relatively complicated to fix. From what little I've read about it, they say you have to change aspect of your everyday life and focus on introspection. Quite frankly I probably won't ever get it in the sense that you do since I haven't experienced depression, but I suppose I'll make an effort to understand it more than I do now. The symptoms have been explained, but what about the solutions?

You know what? I don't even fucking know anymore. Depression at its core is a chemical inbalance which can be partially countered with its opposite chemicals. Basically, by being happy.

Growth, new experiences and lots of mental activity and stimulous that makes a person happy is always the soundest bet. But that's why I made this thread. I feel like I've hit the wall here. I've defined myself as a person, I've grown and changed, I've learned to do stuff that I enjoy, and I've learned about what makes me happy and satisfied.

And here I am. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do things like that when I've already established a strong base to work off of? It depends on the depression. Some people have temporary downs which can be climbed out of.

Mine is fucking chronic. It'll always be there.
You know, I planned to head to Barnes and Noble to day for a poetry book, but I think I'll pick up a book on depression as well, as I'm now genuinely curuious about it. So we've established that it's a chemical imbalance that, from what I'm seeing, cannot be counteracted by conciously trying to be happy through introspective analysis or engaging in things that make you happy. Do you think antidepressants are the best solution to this problem? I was always skeptical about them since I assumed one would become dependant on them, but seeing as how it's more physiological than mental, I assume it's the most practical route. I've heard that people could improve by seeking consistent therapy as well.

I hope depression wont always be there for you though.

Anti-depressents aren't even a real solution. It's the opposite really. Yo don't become dependant on anti-depressents. Your brain rejects them.

They're a trick to your brain. Essentially, what they do is, trick your brain into thinking that it has what it needs in terms of a normal healthy chemical balance. And this, naturally, only works for so long. Eventually your brain adapts to the dosage and so over time, the dosage needs to be raised.

It's basically, a money racket. It doesn't fix things. And I can't even consider it because I've conversed with all my various docs and they all agree that with the amount of chemicals I'm taking right now, in the form of meds for chemo, already make me unstable. Throwing more pills on top of things has the potential to seriously fuck me up if it already hasn't.
Ehh, I get that they are pretty unpopular and psychiatric medication is treated like rat poison in terms of opinion but the more advanced and refined medications are a lot more effective/less shitty than people tend to expect.

It does depend on the patient but say you take the generic client with MDD, suicidal ideation and constantly depressed mood. They can't go to work and all they are able to do is lie on the floor/sofa and waste the day away.

Chances are CBT alone won't break the cycle, you need the big guns to get them off the floor then the other treatments have a chance of working. You tell a man who is currently weighing up Bridge or Train that it's an issue with the way he is thinking about his problems and chances are that's going to be as useful as some of the quotes in this venerable comic now obviously a trained psych isn't going to be that blunt but from my experience it might as well be.

The combined approach of temporary medication coupled with regular therapy seems to be (and has been) the most effective approach in my opinion.

When you say they trick the brain, that's not technically true. Take SSRIs for example, the nice simple one, say the patient has low levels of serotonin floating around, this can be in part dealt with by making more of the serotonin available - you do this by binding the SSRI to the nerve cells in place of the serotonin which would normally be reabsorbed and 'destroyed' by the nerve cells. You have more serotonin available as a result and this improves the mood of the patient. I'll just quote this bit from the NHS's website

Quote
It would be too simplistic to say that depression and related mental health conditions are caused by low serotonin levels, but a rise in serotonin levels can improve symptoms and make people more responsive to other types of treatment, such as CBT.

That'd be why you get put on them, to make the therapy more effective/responsive and to give the initial uplift to start the slog uphill.

Got a nice diagram here for anyone who can stomach biochemistry <.<

This is for an NaSSA drug as opposed to SSRI but it's somewhat the same.

The yellow bars (drug) cockblock the green and blue maws that would otherwise eat up all the nice little neurotransmitters (green/blue space invaders) thus having the desired effect of increasing availability of the two

So perhaps you can describe it as a trick, but it's a relatively simple mechanism to increase the amount of NT in your system.

As for the money racket, eh I can't say I disagree but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. I find it disgusting that there are people who profit from maintaining sickness rather than curing it, but the degenerates aside the medication does help people and when they reach a point in their life where they are stable enough to come off it then the treatment is complete.

Sadly in your case, as your doctors have rightfully pointed out the chemo cocktail would not be complemented by a dose of SSRI/NaSSA/Tricyclics without some pretty catastrophic side-effects which is unfortunate but the way things go, I'd hope they could at least provide some form of psychological therapy but I imagine the backwoods of canada aren't populated with too many professional shrinks :l

Unfortunately, no. Even in the more populated areas of my province we just don't have a big number of medical proffessionals in regards to psychology things of that caliber. We're a bit notorious for it actually. To give you an example. My province is shaped basically like a big rectangle.

You know how many psychiatrists manage the top northern half?

1.

One person. I've read about her before. She makes house calls to all the really remote settlements up north where there are no roads via plane. I think we've got a bit more psychologists in the province though. Bit easier to find than a psychiatrist.
Jesus, and I thought the NHS was understaffed...


 
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And here's the disgusting part, to me--some people criticize my philosophies not on their merits, but how they make them feel. Emotionally.

That's how I suspect most people react to anti-natalism when they first hear about it.
"But we can't go extinct! The thought of it makes me sad and worried, so it must be a bad idea!"

But then they'll go on to give me this pseudo-psychoanalysis, where they'll tell me all about how I need to start adhering to "happier", more "optimistic" philosophies.

It's like people don't even know what philosophy is.

It's a description of reality.
There are accurate descriptions of reality, and inaccurate descriptions of reality.
It doesn't matter how it makes you feel.

"Philosophy...[is] a description of reality"

In literally the broadest sense applicable, sure. Any method of inquiry, be it philosophical, scientific, ethical, metaphysical, etc. is a description of reality, and there are accurate and inaccurate ones. Anti-Natalism focuses largely on the suffering that is inherent to life, leading to the immorality of birthing new, sapient beings; that seems pretty heavily-focused on how one feels, and is largely why there's such widespread opposition: the vast majority of people would disagree with that premise because they do not feel like their life is so insufferable that their existence was an act of immorality on the part of their parents. I'm not trying to debate the merit of your position because that won't lead anywhere, but you can certainly justify telling someone to "try a happier philosophy" much in the same way I could recommend a scientist try a different tool when measuring experiments. Some will work better, some will work worse. But if you're unhappy, or the tool you're using doesn't seem to be working (regardless of whether it seems like it's the only one that should work), then there's no harm in trying a new one.


 
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This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
then there's no harm in trying a new one.
That really only seems applicable because anti-natalism's entire premise is built on the basis of negative emotion.

I mean, if empiricism depresses you. . . You're pretty much fucked, there.


 
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That really only seems applicable because anti-natalism's entire premise is built on the basis of negative emotion.
It's built on the basis of negative sensation. I think that's what you meant, so don't think of me as pedantic, but it's a distinction that needs to be made.

Turkey, my problem with that is that I simply can't "try a new one". It doesn't work like that. Once I accept a statement as truth, the only way I can change my mind is if I'm presented with some sort of counterexample. Humans are selfish evil scumbags, and I'm one of them. This fact greatly distresses me, but what can I possibly do about it? Nothing.
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"Ornate chandeliers suspended from a vaulted ceiling lit the spacious chamber; Jack tilted his gaze overhead and noticed how far away they were.  His thoughts wove around those bright lights, like a dance of ether masses spiraling in precious unison. Why must we try to clutch desperately for the mere threads of this world when we can clasp onto a tapestry of untold magnificence beyond this plane of existence?"
It's just, always there. I give myself every fucking reason not to give in and this still pushes me over without effort.

Yeah.