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No offense but there's a lot of cringe in this thread. Some of yall need to just get off the internet and reevaluate how you live your lives. Or work on self esteem.

Wow! It's like after reading this post, all of my problems just seem so small and insignificant! Thanks, Lord Starch! You know, you should tell this to everyone with depression! "Reevaluate how you live your life" and "Work on self-esteem!"

No, really, that's absolutely beautiful. Put that shit on a fucking T-shirt.

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"Reevaluate how you live your life"
- Lord Starch

Maybe put them on some offshoot of the Livestrong bracelets. That'll sell millions!

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"Work on self-esteem"
- Lord Starch

If I'da known it was all that simple, I woulda stopped being depressed YEARS ago! You're going places, man. You're gonna be the next Dr. Phil. I mean, everything you said--it's all so nuanced, so erudite, so considerate of the complexity of the issue, but most of all, it's... Fucking retarded. I mean, wow.

It's this sort of glib, vapid ignorance that only makes me hate people even more--Self-esteem is probably the last thing I need to "work on". Whatever the fucking fuck that even means. "Work on self-esteem"? Please, describe to me in your own words what you THINK that means. It'll be hilarious.

Needless to say, your post lacks the substance, sophistication, and tact required to tackle such an issue.

This is the exact type of mongoloid idiocy that I was trying to preempt.
What are you accomplishing by posting this utter shit here? Wait, don't answer that--I already know.

Never post on this board again.

This reaction is reason you stay depressed. Your outlook on life and your fellow man is atrocious. All I'm saying is that maybe instead of being an online pessimist, you should change up and analyze how you live your life. But eh, I was just throwing in my two cents. I don't care what you do.

Can we seriously not turn this fucking thread into a garbage pile.

Not my fault he overreacted to a simple comment.

Actually yeah, it is. If you had a better grasp on the subject at hand that you'd understand that this shit isn't just an off switch. Depression doesn't give a fuck about how happy or well off you are.

It's neural fuckery at its finest and it doesn't give a shit about any walls you put up to stop it. You could be the king of the world and be depressed as shit. You could be well off and be depressed as shit.

And you might even tell yourself things, try to make yourself realize that you're actually okay but it gets reflected and turned back on you in a negative way by your own twisted and warped thoughts. Do you understand that? Here, let me give you an example.

Let's say, somebody who's depressed realizes it. And they start trying to shift their thoughts to better areas. Looking at their life and realizing that, hey, they're pretty well off. You'd think that would work right?

No.

Because then, the person gets down about realizing that they're being stupid about things and that they're being ungrateful for what they have, and you start right back off at square one.

I even wrote you a post explaining that all things considered, I know that I'm well off. But yet I'm still in this shithole of a state no matter how much I try to beat it.

That's what you don't get. This shit isn't just a fucking off switch. It's a slow burn that hides around every fucking corner of your head and waits to come out and twist things against you, and when you think you've beaten it, boom, it comes crawling back out of the dark corners of your head and pushes you right back down into the mud as easily as the first time.

Do you understand me?

I get you. I already knew coming in that there isn't an off switch and its relatively complicated to fix. From what little I've read about it, they say you have to change aspect of your everyday life and focus on introspection. Quite frankly I probably won't ever get it in the sense that you do since I haven't experienced depression, but I suppose I'll make an effort to understand it more than I do now. The symptoms have been explained, but what about the solutions?

You know what? I don't even fucking know anymore. Depression at its core is a chemical inbalance which can be partially countered with its opposite chemicals. Basically, by being happy.

Growth, new experiences and lots of mental activity and stimulous that makes a person happy is always the soundest bet. But that's why I made this thread. I feel like I've hit the wall here. I've defined myself as a person, I've grown and changed, I've learned to do stuff that I enjoy, and I've learned about what makes me happy and satisfied.

And here I am. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do things like that when I've already established a strong base to work off of? It depends on the depression. Some people have temporary downs which can be climbed out of.

Mine is fucking chronic. It'll always be there.

You know, I planned to head to Barnes and Noble to day for a poetry book, but I think I'll pick up a book on depression as well, as I'm now genuinely curuious about it. So we've established that it's a chemical imbalance that, from what I'm seeing, cannot be counteracted by conciously trying to be happy through introspective analysis or engaging in things that make you happy. Do you think antidepressants are the best solution to this problem? I was always skeptical about them since I assumed one would become dependant on them, but seeing as how it's more physiological than mental, I assume it's the most practical route. I've heard that people could improve by seeking consistent therapy as well.

I hope depression wont always be there for you though.

Anti-depressents aren't even a real solution. It's the opposite really. Yo don't become dependant on anti-depressents. Your brain rejects them.

They're a trick to your brain. Essentially, what they do is, trick your brain into thinking that it has what it needs in terms of a normal healthy chemical balance. And this, naturally, only works for so long. Eventually your brain adapts to the dosage and so over time, the dosage needs to be raised.

It's basically, a money racket. It doesn't fix things. And I can't even consider it because I've conversed with all my various docs and they all agree that with the amount of chemicals I'm taking right now, in the form of meds for chemo, already make me unstable. Throwing more pills on top of things has the potential to seriously fuck me up if it already hasn't.

Ehh, I get that they are pretty unpopular and psychiatric medication is treated like rat poison in terms of opinion but the more advanced and refined medications are a lot more effective/less shitty than people tend to expect.

It does depend on the patient but say you take the generic client with MDD, suicidal ideation and constantly depressed mood. They can't go to work and all they are able to do is lie on the floor/sofa and waste the day away.

Chances are CBT alone won't break the cycle, you need the big guns to get them off the floor then the other treatments have a chance of working. You tell a man who is currently weighing up Bridge or Train that it's an issue with the way he is thinking about his problems and chances are that's going to be as useful as some of the quotes in this venerable comic now obviously a trained psych isn't going to be that blunt but from my experience it might as well be.

The combined approach of temporary medication coupled with regular therapy seems to be (and has been) the most effective approach in my opinion.

When you say they trick the brain, that's not technically true. Take SSRIs for example, the nice simple one, say the patient has low levels of serotonin floating around, this can be in part dealt with by making more of the serotonin available - you do this by binding the SSRI to the nerve cells in place of the serotonin which would normally be reabsorbed and 'destroyed' by the nerve cells. You have more serotonin available as a result and this improves the mood of the patient. I'll just quote this bit from the NHS's website

It would be too simplistic to say that depression and related mental health conditions are caused by low serotonin levels, but a rise in serotonin levels can improve symptoms and make people more responsive to other types of treatment, such as CBT.

That'd be why you get put on them, to make the therapy more effective/responsive and to give the initial uplift to start the slog uphill.


So perhaps you can describe it as a trick, but it's a relatively simple mechanism to increase the amount of NT in your system.

As for the money racket, eh I can't say I disagree but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. I find it disgusting that there are people who profit from maintaining sickness rather than curing it, but the degenerates aside the medication does help people and when they reach a point in their life where they are stable enough to come off it then the treatment is complete.

Sadly in your case, as your doctors have rightfully pointed out the chemo cocktail would not be complemented by a dose of SSRI/NaSSA/Tricyclics without some pretty catastrophic side-effects which is unfortunate but the way things go, I'd hope they could at least provide some form of psychological therapy but I imagine the backwoods of canada aren't populated with too many professional shrinks :l

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Quote from: Lord Starch on July 29, 2015, 05:33:00 AM

No offense but there's a lot of cringe in this thread. Some of yall need to just get off the internet and reevaluate how you live your lives. Or work on self esteem.

Wow! It's like after reading this post, all of my problems just seem so small and insignificant! Thanks, Lord Starch! You know, you should tell this to everyone with depression! "Reevaluate how you live your life" and "Work on self-esteem!"

No, really, that's absolutely beautiful. Put that shit on a fucking T-shirt.

Quote from: Lord Starch on July 29, 2015, 05:33:00 AM

"Reevaluate how you live your life"
- Lord Starch

Maybe put them on some offshoot of the Livestrong bracelets. That'll sell millions!

Quote from: Lord Starch on July 29, 2015, 05:33:00 AM

"Work on self-esteem"
- Lord Starch

If I'da known it was all that simple, I woulda stopped being depressed YEARS ago! You're going places, man. You're gonna be the next Dr. Phil. I mean, everything you said--it's all so nuanced, so erudite, so considerate of the complexity of the issue, but most of all, it's... Fucking retarded. I mean, wow.

It's this sort of glib, vapid ignorance that only makes me hate people even more--Self-esteem is probably the last thing I need to "work on". Whatever the fucking fuck that even means. "Work on self-esteem"? Please, describe to me in your own words what you THINK that means. It'll be hilarious.

Needless to say, your post lacks the substance, sophistication, and tact required to tackle such an issue.

This is the exact type of mongoloid idiocy that I was trying to preempt.
What are you accomplishing by posting this utter shit here? Wait, don't answer that--I already know.

Never post on this board again.

This reaction is reason you stay depressed. Your outlook on life and your fellow man is atrocious. All I'm saying is that maybe instead of being an online pessimist, you should change up and analyze how you live your life. But eh, I was just throwing in my two cents. I don't care what you do.

Can we seriously not turn this fucking thread into a garbage pile.

Not my fault he overreacted to a simple comment.

Actually yeah, it is. If you had a better grasp on the subject at hand that you'd understand that this shit isn't just an off switch. Depression doesn't give a fuck about how happy or well off you are.

It's neural fuckery at its finest and it doesn't give a shit about any walls you put up to stop it. You could be the king of the world and be depressed as shit. You could be well off and be depressed as shit.

And you might even tell yourself things, try to make yourself realize that you're actually okay but it gets reflected and turned back on you in a negative way by your own twisted and warped thoughts. Do you understand that? Here, let me give you an example.

Let's say, somebody who's depressed realizes it. And they start trying to shift their thoughts to better areas. Looking at their life and realizing that, hey, they're pretty well off. You'd think that would work right?

No.

Because then, the person gets down about realizing that they're being stupid about things and that they're being ungrateful for what they have, and you start right back off at square one.

I even wrote you a post explaining that all things considered, I know that I'm well off. But yet I'm still in this shithole of a state no matter how much I try to beat it.

That's what you don't get. This shit isn't just a fucking off switch. It's a slow burn that hides around every fucking corner of your head and waits to come out and twist things against you, and when you think you've beaten it, boom, it comes crawling back out of the dark corners of your head and pushes you right back down into the mud as easily as the first time.

Do you understand me?

I get you. I already knew coming in that there isn't an off switch and its relatively complicated to fix. From what little I've read about it, they say you have to change aspect of your everyday life and focus on introspection. Quite frankly I probably won't ever get it in the sense that you do since I haven't experienced depression, but I suppose I'll make an effort to understand it more than I do now. The symptoms have been explained, but what about the solutions?

You know what? I don't even fucking know anymore. Depression at its core is a chemical inbalance which can be partially countered with its opposite chemicals. Basically, by being happy.

Growth, new experiences and lots of mental activity and stimulous that makes a person happy is always the soundest bet. But that's why I made this thread. I feel like I've hit the wall here. I've defined myself as a person, I've grown and changed, I've learned to do stuff that I enjoy, and I've learned about what makes me happy and satisfied.

And here I am. What the fuck am I supposed to do? How am I supposed to do things like that when I've already established a strong base to work off of? It depends on the depression. Some people have temporary downs which can be climbed out of.

Mine is fucking chronic. It'll always be there.

You know, I planned to head to Barnes and Noble to day for a poetry book, but I think I'll pick up a book on depression as well, as I'm now genuinely curuious about it. So we've established that it's a chemical imbalance that, from what I'm seeing, cannot be counteracted by conciously trying to be happy through introspective analysis or engaging in things that make you happy. Do you think antidepressants are the best solution to this problem? I was always skeptical about them since I assumed one would become dependant on them, but seeing as how it's more physiological than mental, I assume it's the most practical route. I've heard that people could improve by seeking consistent therapy as well.

I hope depression wont always be there for you though.

Anti-depressents aren't even a real solution. It's the opposite really. Yo don't become dependant on anti-depressents. Your brain rejects them.

They're a trick to your brain. Essentially, what they do is, trick your brain into thinking that it has what it needs in terms of a normal healthy chemical balance. And this, naturally, only works for so long. Eventually your brain adapts to the dosage and so over time, the dosage needs to be raised.

It's basically, a money racket. It doesn't fix things. And I can't even consider it because I've conversed with all my various docs and they all agree that with the amount of chemicals I'm taking right now, in the form of meds for chemo, already make me unstable. Throwing more pills on top of things has the potential to seriously fuck me up if it already hasn't.

Ehh, I get that they are pretty unpopular and psychiatric medication is treated like rat poison in terms of opinion but the more advanced and refined medications are a lot more effective/less shitty than people tend to expect.

It does depend on the patient but say you take the generic client with MDD, suicidal ideation and constantly depressed mood. They can't go to work and all they are able to do is lie on the floor/sofa and waste the day away.

Chances are CBT alone won't break the cycle, you need the big guns to get them off the floor then the other treatments have a chance of working. You tell a man who is currently weighing up Bridge or Train that it's an issue with the way he is thinking about his problems and chances are that's going to be as useful as some of the quotes in this venerable comic now obviously a trained psych isn't going to be that blunt but from my experience it might as well be.

The combined approach of temporary medication coupled with regular therapy seems to be (and has been) the most effective approach in my opinion.

When you say they trick the brain, that's not technically true. Take SSRIs for example, the nice simple one, say the patient has low levels of serotonin floating around, this can be in part dealt with by making more of the serotonin available - you do this by binding the SSRI to the nerve cells in place of the serotonin which would normally be reabsorbed and 'destroyed' by the nerve cells. You have more serotonin available as a result and this improves the mood of the patient. I'll just quote this bit from the NHS's website

Quote

It would be too simplistic to say that depression and related mental health conditions are caused by low serotonin levels, but a rise in serotonin levels can improve symptoms and make people more responsive to other types of treatment, such as CBT.

That'd be why you get put on them, to make the therapy more effective/responsive and to give the initial uplift to start the slog uphill.

Got a nice diagram here for anyone who can stomach biochemistry <.<

This is for an NaSSA drug as opposed to SSRI but it's somewhat the same.

The yellow bars (drug) cockblock the green and blue maws that would otherwise eat up all the nice little neurotransmitters (green/blue space invaders) thus having the desired effect of increasing availability of the two

So perhaps you can describe it as a trick, but it's a relatively simple mechanism to increase the amount of NT in your system.

As for the money racket, eh I can't say I disagree but I wouldn't dismiss it outright. I find it disgusting that there are people who profit from maintaining sickness rather than curing it, but the degenerates aside the medication does help people and when they reach a point in their life where they are stable enough to come off it then the treatment is complete.

Sadly in your case, as your doctors have rightfully pointed out the chemo cocktail would not be complemented by a dose of SSRI/NaSSA/Tricyclics without some pretty catastrophic side-effects which is unfortunate but the way things go, I'd hope they could at least provide some form of psychological therapy but I imagine the backwoods of canada aren't populated with too many professional shrinks :l

Unfortunately, no. Even in the more populated areas of my province we just don't have a big number of medical proffessionals in regards to psychology things of that caliber. We're a bit notorious for it actually. To give you an example. My province is shaped basically like a big rectangle.

You know how many psychiatrists manage the top northern half?

1.

One person. I've read about her before. She makes house calls to all the really remote settlements up north where there are no roads via plane. I think we've got a bit more psychologists in the province though. Bit easier to find than a psychiatrist.

Jesus, and I thought the NHS was understaffed...