Denmark bans Halal and Kosher slaughter

 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,060 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Minister claims animal rights come before welfare.
Quote
Denmark’s government has brought in a ban on the religious slaughter of animals for the production of halal and kosher meat, after years of campaigning from welfare activists.

The change to the law, announced last week and effective as of yesterday, has been called “anti-Semitism” by Jewish leaders and “a clear interference in religious freedom” by the non-profit group Danish Halal.

European regulations require animals to be stunned before they are slaughtered, but grants exemptions on religious grounds. For meat to be considered kosher under Jewish law or halal under Islamic law, the animal must be conscious when killed.

Yet defending his government’s decision to remove this exemption, the minister for agriculture and food Dan Jørgensen told Denmark’s TV2 that “animal rights come before religion”.

Commenting on the change, Israel’s deputy minister of religious services Rabbi Eli Ben Dahan told the Jewish Daily Forward: “European anti-Semitism is showing its true colours across Europe, and is even intensifying in the government institutions.”

Al Jazeera quoted the monitoring group Danish Halal, which launched a petition against the ban, as saying it was “a clear interference in religious freedom limiting the rights of Muslims and Jews to practice their religion in Denmark”.

The ban has divided opinions in the country, particularly after it recently made headlines for animal welfare policy after Copenhagen Zoo slaughtered the “surplus” young male giraffe Marius.

On Twitter, David Krikler (@davekriks) wrote: “In Denmark butchering a healthy giraffe in front of kids is cool but a kosher/halal chicken is illegal.”

Byakuya Ali-Hassan (@SirOthello) said it was “disgusting” that “the same country that slaughtered a giraffe in public to be fed to lions… is banning halal meat because of the procedures”.

Mogens Larsen (@Moq72), from Aalborg in Denmark, tweeted: “Denmark bans the religious slaughter of animals. Not even zoo lions are allowed a taste of halal giraffe.”

Last year politicians in Britain said they would not be outlawing religious slaughter despite “strong pressure” from the RSPCA, the National Secular Society and other activists.
>shooting in copenhagen
>bans halal meat

based denmark


Casper | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Casper
IP: Logged

10,158 posts
Toys are hereby declared:
ILLEGAL
IMMORAL
UNLAWFUL
 anyone found with a TOY in his possession will be
placed under ARREST and thrown in the DUNGEON!
No kidding!               🅱
Yaaaasss everything is awesome in Denmark


 
Mat Cauthon
| Ravens
 
more |
Good guy Denmark.


Mordo | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Madman Mordo
IP: Logged

7,249 posts
emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
A country bordering Sweden bans Halal?

And I thought I'd seen it all.


Turkey | Mythic Inconceivable!
 
more |
XBL: Viva Redemption
PSN: HurtfulTurkey
Steam: HurtfulTurkey
ID: HurtfulTurkey
IP: Logged

8,077 posts
 
Honestly, I think the Jews need to seriously reconsider how they go about slaughtering animals. In a small slaughterhouse, the process is relatively humane and there has been research demonstrating that the animals are largely unaware that their throat was even slit (due to how finely sharpened the knife needs to be), but when attempts are made to industrialize the process it results in a very frightening experience for the animals. I'm not sure how Muslims do it for halal meat, but I imagine they have similar processes.

So yeah, obviously it's anti-semitic because it specifically rules out Jewish and Muslim practices, but that doesn't necessarily make it reprehensible.


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,060 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
obviously it's anti-semitic because it specifically rules out Jewish and Muslim practices
I wouldn't say that makes it anti-Semitic; it's not being done out of any antipathy toward the Jews.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,215 posts
<.<
Honestly, I think the Jews need to seriously reconsider how they go about slaughtering animals. In a small slaughterhouse, the process is relatively humane and there has been research demonstrating that the animals are largely unaware that their throat was even slit (due to how finely sharpened the knife needs to be), but when attempts are made to industrialize the process it results in a very frightening experience for the animals. I'm not sure how Muslims do it for halal meat, but I imagine they have similar processes.

So yeah, obviously it's anti-semitic because it specifically rules out Jewish and Muslim practices, but that doesn't necessarily make it reprehensible.
Whilst obviously I'd prefer it if no animals were slaughtered, but the research on it that I looked at seemed to indicate that the speed/precision at which the throat is cut and at what point they lose consciousness/feel pain from a halal/kosher killing as opposed to the usual Stun-gun + hacksaw mess (hyperbole) it didn't seem all that much worse than the other option.

The death is gonna be shitty, it shouldn't happen but it does and that's not likely to change. I'd say the amount of distress the animal experiences before the killing is on par with any pain inflicted.

I'm not sold either way though, given my own distaste for butchery in the first place I doubt I'd find an option that was 10/10 please kill them again.


 
More Than Mortal
| d-d-d-DANK ✡ 🔥🔥🔥 🌈
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: MetaCognition
ID: Meta Cognition
IP: Logged

15,060 posts
This is the way the world ends. Not with a bang but a whimper.
Honestly, I think the Jews need to seriously reconsider how they go about slaughtering animals. In a small slaughterhouse, the process is relatively humane and there has been research demonstrating that the animals are largely unaware that their throat was even slit (due to how finely sharpened the knife needs to be), but when attempts are made to industrialize the process it results in a very frightening experience for the animals.
It usually takes the animal a few minutes to bleed out, while not stunning them leaves their spinal cord in tact along with their ability to feel pain up until the moment of death.
Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 04:33:00 PM by Meta Cognition


 
 
Mr. Psychologist
| Imperial Forum Ninja
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Mr Psychologist
IP: Logged

17,215 posts
<.<
Honestly, I think the Jews need to seriously reconsider how they go about slaughtering animals. In a small slaughterhouse, the process is relatively humane and there has been research demonstrating that the animals are largely unaware that their throat was even slit (due to how finely sharpened the knife needs to be), but when attempts are made to industrialize the process it results in a very frightening experience for the animals.
It usually takes the animal a few minutes to bleed out, while not stunning them leaves their spinal cord in tact along with their ability to feel pain up until the moment of death.

Quote borked I think

But yeah I kind of figured that would be the case, and if the RSPCA is saying 'stop this shit' then I'll defer to their judgement on it.


Pendulate | Ascended Posting Frenzy
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Pendulate
IP: Logged

460 posts
 
What are farming practices like in Denmark?

This is all well and good, but improving the living conditions would be the more logical approach in terms of "animal rights".
Last Edit: July 26, 2015, 06:08:11 PM by Pendulate


eggsalad | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: eggsalad
ID: eggsalad
IP: Logged

2,495 posts
 
The Jewish persecution complex is so remarkably childish.


Risay117 | Heroic Unstoppable!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam: risay117
ID: Risay117
IP: Logged

2,952 posts
 
Not sure how useful this is. I mean what is a humane way to kill a cow. A knife to the neck be painful but from what i remember is that when slaughtering everything till spinal cord is cut. Also stunning does not really help either way as well a couple animals can survive it.

Honestly I just feel that industrialization of the process is the most inhumane way to slaughter animals. Plus the discussion on what is humane slaughter or not is a whole discussion we will never come to an agreement with.

Sadly the question of being humane i feel is about people not wanting to know how their food is made. The concept of a knife being used to slit the throat seems graphic so is considered inhumane. What I feel after thinking about this topic is the humane slaughtering has become more about creating an illusion that we are doing something good with the way we kill an animal. Seriously, no matter how we make it pretty, it is still a brutal practice, and I am talking about killing.

Personally i feel that people should be more connected to how their meat is made. At least to make it clear that an animal was sacrificed for this process. Hell I might ask, do you guys think that the castration of calf's by ripping their balls of with your teeth is humane? Cause it is considered humane and widely practiced.


 
challengerX
| custom title
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: challengerX
IP: Logged

41,942 posts
I DONT GIVE A SINGLE -blam!- MOTHER -blam!-ER ITS A MOTHER -blam!-ING FORUM, OH WOW, YOU HAVE THE WORD NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, HOW MOTHER -blam!-ING COOL, NOT, YOUR ARE NOTHING TO ME BUT A BRAINWASHED PIECE OF SHIT BLOGGER, PEOPLE ONLY LIKE YOU BECAUSE YOU HAVE NINJA BELOW YOUR NAME, SO PLEASE PUNCH YOURAELF IN THE FACE AND STAB YOUR EYE BECAUSE YOU ARE NOTHING BUT A PIECE OF SHIT OF SOCIETY
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


ΚΑΤΑΝΑΛΩΤΗΣ | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: TrussingDoor
IP: Logged

7,667 posts
"A time is coming when men will go mad, and when they see someone who is not mad, they will attack him saying, 'You are mad, you are not like us'."
-Saint Anthony the Great
This user has been blacklisted from posting on the forums. Until the blacklist is lifted, all posts made by this user have been hidden and require a Sep7agon® SecondClass Premium Membership to view.


Mordo | Mythic Invincible!
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Madman Mordo
IP: Logged

7,249 posts
emigrate or degenerate. the choice is yours
Not to go all verbatim here but there's really no humane way to end the life of a complex organism.


I'm not saying stop eating meat. I'm not even suggesting kosher and halal are as ethical as other forms of slaughter. But let's not single out kosher and halal slaughter, while we pretend we have some kind of moral high ground just because our cows are stunned before the kill.
Slitting an animal's throat and leaving it to bleed out alive and aware of its surroundings is objectively more immoral than rendering one unconscious before killing it, especially considering the former is predicated on medieval superstition. One involves unnecessary pain to adhere to religious hogwash, the other involves efficiency, and to a certain extent, moral consideration to satisfy the demands of a market.

You're kidding yourself on if you think the two are morally equitable.
Last Edit: July 27, 2015, 09:41:04 PM by career ender


Pendulate | Ascended Posting Frenzy
 
more |
XBL:
PSN:
Steam:
ID: Pendulate
IP: Logged

460 posts
 
there's really no humane way to end the life of a complex organism.
Sure there is.

Just not when you've bred them specifically for that purpose.


Super Irish | Legendary Invincible!
 
more |
XBL: Superirish19
PSN: Superirish19
Steam: Superirish19
ID: Super Irish
IP: Logged

6,012 posts
If I'm not here, I'm doing photography. Or I'm asleep. Or in lockdown. One of those three, anyway.

The current titlebar/avatar setup is just normal.
Maybe we should just create animals that want to be eaten like in the restuarant at he end of the world.

But seriously, I can't see anything overtly wrong with this. At least it's trying to make the process as quick and painless as possible given that we largely refuse not to give up eating meat.